Well, I guess we read different accounts of the story. I think this is to
the list as I think my account of the Giuliani vs Ofoli story was. The blib
about Giuliani's rise in popularity after 9/11 went to you personally
because it was not related to museum work. But, don't worry, I won't do it
again.
Loretta
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> some of your facts here are wrong, Guiliani did not view this before
> becoming reactionary, he based his opinions on Roman Catholics who visited
> it and saw it as repulsive. He reacted after Cardinal O' Conner condemn
the
> work. As for Guiliani, he became the best arts marketer w/o doing a thing
> but being a typical politician and feeding off the public. If (/11 had not
> occurred he would have faded into obscurity, because he was faltering big
> time. Loreetta please post to leist not to me personally thank you.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lorettalorance" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: 9/11 Censorship? Statue of falling woman censored
>
>
> > Let's see, this was a little while ago: Rudy Giuliani went to see
> Sensations
> > at the Brooklyn Museum. He saw a mixed media work, primarily a painting,
> by
> > Chris Ofoli of the Madonna or Virgin Mary. Ofoli used elephant dung as
> part
> > of the body of Mary. Elephant dung is sacred where Ofoli comes from.
> > Giuliani got upset and began a personal crusade against the Ofoli work
of
> > art. As mayor of NYC, of which Brooklyn is a part, he threatened to pull
> > city funding away from the museum unless it removed the Ofoli from the
> > exhibition. He did not demand the closing of Sensations, only the
removal
> of
> > the Ofoli. The media, especially the Post/Daily News papers which are
> > somewhat sensationalists, took up the cry. Others got into the story.
> Blah,
> > blah, blah.
> >
> > After this Giuliani initiated some sort of city government watch-dog
> office
> > for art. I don't know if it's still in existence. It must not be or that
> > Fischl probably would have gotten into Rockefeller Center.
> >
> > So, the problem was not the entire Sensations show, it was one work in
the
> > show, the Ofoli which I think is now in some museum and his career has
> > blossomed. The entire thing was started by a Roman Catholic mayor, who
> > justifies cheating on his wife (at least 2 mistresses while mayor), who
> was
> > offended.
> >
> > The mayor using the power of his office and the personal hypocrisy of
his
> > religion felt it his place to demand the removal on the work of art that
> > offended him. Bloomberg has not, as far as I know, made any comment on
the
> > Fischl. I haven't really seen anything on the Fischl in the NYC papers
> since
> > it was first mentioned, as "bad." I don't think the Times has even
covered
> > it, I could have missed it though. The only debate about whether or not
> the
> > sculpture should stay that I've encountered is on this list. Other
people
> in
> > NYC may be talking about it, but not the art historians I know.
> >
> > Perhaps you consider the man-who-was-mayor-on-a-personal-crusade,
> Giuliani,
> > and the offended general public the same thing. But, these are not at
all
> > the same stories.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Schulte" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: 9/11 Censorship? Statue of falling woman censored
> >
> >
> > > Loretta i have to beg to differ with you on Sensations, this exhibit
was
> > > offensive which began the Cities efforts to have it shut down. If no
had
> > > objected to its content and value there would have been no controversy
.
> > So
> > > the situation is similar. As for Guiliani"s reputation, he became a
hero
> > due
> > > to his behavior durring this crisis, however his popularity was fading
> and
> > > continues to fade with his womanizing.
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "lorettalorance" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 2:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 9/11 Censorship? Statue of falling woman censored
> > >
> > >
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