Well, I guess we read different accounts of the story. I think this is to the list as I think my account of the Giuliani vs Ofoli story was. The blib about Giuliani's rise in popularity after 9/11 went to you personally because it was not related to museum work. But, don't worry, I won't do it again. Loretta ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:02 PM > Sender: Museum discussion list <[log in to unmask]> > From: James Schulte <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: 9/11 Censorship? Statue of falling woman censored > To: [log in to unmask] > Precedence: list > > some of your facts here are wrong, Guiliani did not view this before > becoming reactionary, he based his opinions on Roman Catholics who visited > it and saw it as repulsive. He reacted after Cardinal O' Conner condemn the > work. As for Guiliani, he became the best arts marketer w/o doing a thing > but being a typical politician and feeding off the public. If (/11 had not > occurred he would have faded into obscurity, because he was faltering big > time. Loreetta please post to leist not to me personally thank you. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lorettalorance" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: 9/11 Censorship? Statue of falling woman censored > > > > Let's see, this was a little while ago: Rudy Giuliani went to see > Sensations > > at the Brooklyn Museum. He saw a mixed media work, primarily a painting, > by > > Chris Ofoli of the Madonna or Virgin Mary. Ofoli used elephant dung as > part > > of the body of Mary. Elephant dung is sacred where Ofoli comes from. > > Giuliani got upset and began a personal crusade against the Ofoli work of > > art. As mayor of NYC, of which Brooklyn is a part, he threatened to pull > > city funding away from the museum unless it removed the Ofoli from the > > exhibition. He did not demand the closing of Sensations, only the removal > of > > the Ofoli. The media, especially the Post/Daily News papers which are > > somewhat sensationalists, took up the cry. Others got into the story. > Blah, > > blah, blah. > > > > After this Giuliani initiated some sort of city government watch-dog > office > > for art. I don't know if it's still in existence. It must not be or that > > Fischl probably would have gotten into Rockefeller Center. > > > > So, the problem was not the entire Sensations show, it was one work in the > > show, the Ofoli which I think is now in some museum and his career has > > blossomed. The entire thing was started by a Roman Catholic mayor, who > > justifies cheating on his wife (at least 2 mistresses while mayor), who > was > > offended. > > > > The mayor using the power of his office and the personal hypocrisy of his > > religion felt it his place to demand the removal on the work of art that > > offended him. Bloomberg has not, as far as I know, made any comment on the > > Fischl. I haven't really seen anything on the Fischl in the NYC papers > since > > it was first mentioned, as "bad." I don't think the Times has even covered > > it, I could have missed it though. The only debate about whether or not > the > > sculpture should stay that I've encountered is on this list. Other people > in > > NYC may be talking about it, but not the art historians I know. > > > > Perhaps you consider the man-who-was-mayor-on-a-personal-crusade, > Giuliani, > > and the offended general public the same thing. But, these are not at all > > the same stories. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Schulte" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:15 PM > > Subject: Re: 9/11 Censorship? Statue of falling woman censored > > > > > > > Loretta i have to beg to differ with you on Sensations, this exhibit was > > > offensive which began the Cities efforts to have it shut down. If no had > > > objected to its content and value there would have been no controversy . > > So > > > the situation is similar. As for Guiliani"s reputation, he became a hero > > due > > > to his behavior durring this crisis, however his popularity was fading > and > > > continues to fade with his womanizing. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "lorettalorance" <[log in to unmask]> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 2:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: 9/11 Censorship? 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