The use of an absolute sets you up for contradiction...as in "no scientist
thinks ID and evolution are compatible." I would suggest that you spend some
time googling the subject. The world is a big place, with lots of
scientists, and lots of beliefs. That's what makes it so wonderful.
Becky Fitzgerald
>No scientist thinks ID and evolution (or the Big Bang theory in cosmology
>for that matter) are compatible.
>This is a political and cultural problem - not scientific - and actually
>that's why it is geographically limited (if it was a scientific problem you
>would have the same debate elsewhere because science is universal in the
>applicability of its content and methods).
All best,
Marta
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From: "Rebecca Fitzgerald" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: ID Movie at Smithsonian
> No one has mentioned that many folks have no problem reconciling ID and
> evolution as compatible theories, and actually belief that the Big Bang
> and
> evolution were tools of a Greater Power. Also, when it comes down to a
> poll
> of people world-wide, I'm betting that ID is a more widely held belief
> system.
>
> Bottom line - if we only believed those things that could be proven, our
> lives would certainly be dreary little affairs, wouldn't they?
>
> Becky Fitzgerald
> Executive Director
> Susquehanna Museum
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf
> Of Rebecca M. Trussell
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 5:46 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: ID Movie at Smithsonian
>
> Robyne,
> Thanks for pointing this out. I didn't automatically think of the
> presentation in historical terms. Perhaps the National Museum of American
> History would provide the appropriate venue, in that case, not the
> National
> Museum of Natural History which unequivocally recognizes the the
> scientific method for the proving of theories.
>
> Rebecca Trussell
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Robyne Miles <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: 5/31/2005 4:57:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: ID Movie at Smithsonian
>>
>> Sadly, I would say that there is one part of S.I.'s mission that actually
>> fits this circumstance:
>>
>> "authoritative experiences that connect us to our history and our
>> heritage
>> as Americans"
>>
>> No doubt these people are authorities on I.D., and as frightening as it
> is,
>> this is indeed part of both our history and our heritage as Americans.
> Ugh.
>>
>> DISCLAIMER: This comment does not in any way support the idea of holding
>> this event there. As many have stated, I think without an actual forum
>> to
>> debate varying ideas, having the film there is quite simply crap (I'm
>> feeling eloquent).
>>
>> On 5/31/05 11:44 AM, "Rebecca M. Trussell"
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Considering the Smithsonian's mission statement, as refined by
>> > Secretary
>> > Small, the Smithsonian does not seem to serve itself in any way other
> than
>> > financially by housing a program on ID unless it results from bona fide
>> > scientific research, peer-reviewed and published in a recognized
> scientific
>> > journal. Founder Smithson's broad-brush mission statement might be
>> > interpreted to allow such a program, but the same interpretation could
> also
>> > support programs exploring the existence of an Aryan race and asserting
> UFO
>> > existence based on eye-witness testimony.
>> >
>> > Perusing the Discovery Institute's website gives one the distinct
>> > impression that hocus-pocus can easily masquerade as science with the
> help
>> > of a slick website.
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.si.edu/about/mission.htm
>> > "I then bequeath the whole of my property...to the United States of
>> > America, to found at Washington, under the name of the Smithsonian
>> > Institution, an Establishment for the increase & diffusion of
> knowledge..."
>> > James Smithson (1765-1829)
>> >
>> >
>> > "The Smithsonian is committed to enlarging our shared understanding of
> the
>> > mosaic that is our national identity by providing authoritative
> experiences
>> > that connect us to our history and our heritage as Americans and to
>> > promoting innovation, research and discovery in science. These
> commitments
>> > have been central to the Smithsonian since its founding more than 155
> years
>> > ago."
>> > Lawrence M. Small, Secretary of the Smithsonian
>> >
>> > http://www.discovery.org/
>> > Intelligent design is "simply the argument that certain features of the
>> > natural world?from miniature machines and digital information found in
>> > living cells, to the fine-tuning of physical constants?are best
> explained
>> > as the result of an intelligent cause." Jay W. Richards
>> >
>> > Rebecca Trussell
>> >
>> >
>> >> [Original Message]
>> >> From: Jay Heuman <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> Date: 5/31/2005 1:47:07 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: ID Movie at Smithsonian
>> >>
>> >> I think we all must keep in mind, the Discovery Institute gave a
>> >> contribution of $16,000 to the Smithsonian and, just like any other
> donor,
>> >> they have been granted permission to use the auditorium to screen
>> >> their
>> >> movie.
>> >> Whether one is sympathetic with the contents of the movie, the
> system
>> >> has this 'loophole.' The Discovery Institute is not abusing or
> misusing
>> > the
>> >> system.
>> >> However, perhaps the system should be changed once we ask
> ourselves:
>> > Who
>> >> should decide what can be shown in the Smithsonian's facilities
> following
>> >> such a donation? Do we want Holocaust deniers giving money to the
>> >> Smithsonian for the right to show revisionist propaganda? Do we want
> the
>> >> KKK donating money so as to conduct a 'White Power' lecture series? I
> can
>> >> come up with dozens of other scarier thoughts than an intelligent
> design
>> >> movie.
>> >>
>> >> [Note: I'm not a supporter of the Design Institute, their
>> >> ideas, or their movie. I am a supporter of consistency in
>> >> museum policy.]
>> >>
>> >> Best wishes, sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Jay Heuman
>> >> Curator of Education
>> >> Salt Lake Art Center
>> >> 20 South West Temple
>> >> Salt Lake City, UT 84101
>> >>
>> >> tel: 801-328-4201 | fax: 801-322-4323
>> >> web: www.slartcenter.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 5/31/05 11:07 AM, "Mary Rogers" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>> Hello Everyone,
>> >>> I have been hearing a lot lately about ID...mostly by way of various
>> > groups
>> >>> (radio stations, etc.) making fun of ID believers. Now we have
> listers
>> >>> calling the showing of this movie at the Smithsonian shameful and
>> > horrifying.
>> >>> Although some would call people who believe in ID narrow-minded, I am
>> > feeling
>> >>> compelled to put that same label on those who are bashing those
>> > believers and
>> >>> also those who are so concerned about this situation.
>> >>> My comments and questions:
>> >>> It sounds to me like no one is going to be FORCED to watch this movie
>> > at the
>> >>> museum. Those who want to watch it may do so.
>> >>> Individuals may choose to believe in whatever they want, no matter
>> >>> how
>> >>> ridiculous I think it sounds.
>> >>> Aren't museums the perfect place for this type of exchange to take
>> > place? If
>> >>> not here, then where? Do we think that because we don't like what
>> > these IDers
>> >>> are saying that we shouldn't let anyone else hear, either? Isn't it
> our
>> >>> mission and job to present ideas?
>> >>> I tend to be somewhat skeptical, but I think that most big-money
> donors
>> > to
>> >>> museum have some type of agenda for which they intend to use the
> museum
>> > to
>> >>> further. Isn't this the way the world works?
>> >>> Thanks. Keep up the good work.
>> >>> Mary Rogers
>> >>
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