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This may seem an odd question, but are there any other faiths that take the
Genesis version of how the world was created literally? You hear about it
being a purely Christian fundamentalist thing, I'm wondering if there are
Jewish or even Muslim groups that believe in Creationism too.
Just wondering,
Sasha 


On 8/3/05 12:19 PM, "Mark Janzen" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Rebecca,
> 
> Yes, the "they" in this case are the pushers of Christian philosophy as
> science, largely embodied by the Discovery Institute. Sorry if that was not
> clear. I do indeed consider the movement rather sinister, but that is
> probably the result of my personal feelings on science and my love of my
> rights as an American.
> 
> 1. Actually the proof is in the testing that has been done over the past
> 125 years. That is what people do not understand about the topic, and the
> central reason ID is not a competitor with evolution. No one is asking
> anyone to take science on "faith". Science presents the evidence, and
> allows it to speak for itself. If you do not think the evidence is
> sufficient, and you prefer to assume intelligent design, then so be it.
> Just do not call it science.
> 
> 2. ID/creationism can not be disproved...it is faith. As a matter of fact,
> no one is trying to disprove it. It is the other way around. Evolution is
> definitely still "standing", as nothing has yet presented a substantive
> alternative.
> 
> 3. Then you need to start laughing. That is exactly what ID says, but not
> is so few words. They believe their point of view is true because their
> book says so. End of discussion(from their end anyway).
> 
> You are absolutely correct. Both science and religion are integral parts of
> human society and philosophy. We need both. However, what we also need are
> people who understand both, and where the dividing lines lie between them.
> I do indeed hold both scientific and religious leaders in high esteem, but
> leading and making positive contribution is far different from being the
> one who shouts the loudest in a conversation.
> 
> Making a place for our children to be exposed to both is what we were just
> talking about, and nothing is wrong with it at all. The point is that it
> needs to be done in the right place, and the science/biology classroom is
> not the place for both. The unscarred adults who have been exposed to both
> theories were exposed in the proper places, i.e. biology class and church.
> The children who may be subjected to the travesty suggested by ID
> proponents will definitely scar our children, and produce an educational
> blight that will be very difficult to eradicate once the mistake is made.
> 
> Indeed. We should certainly not allow the current confusion over the nature
> of the topic to enter into our interpretations and color the information we
> present to the public, whether they think it should be there or not.
> 
> Mark Janzen
> Registrar/Collections Manager
> Edwin A. Ulrich Museum of Art
> Martin H. Bush Outdoor Sculpture Collection
> Wichita State University
> (316)978-5850
> 
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>> I like to remind people that this controversy is not about evolution or
>> even science. It is about telling other people what they should believe,
>> and what is right and wrong.
> 
> And this of course is the crux of most of the problems of the world. In
> every debate there are those on each side who feel that they're having the
> opposite view forced on them.
> 
> By the way, who are "they?" In this case is "they" an organized group
> pushing ID, or the millions of people who believe that that God created the
> universe and every thing in it, whether in a week, or by initiating that
> moment of creation - what some folks call the "big bang." Or is "they" some
> other sinister group?
> 
> Science and religion necessarily intersect in this discussion, since both
> consider our origin as part of their "turf." So, after many years of
> studying this debate, and reading all there is on the subject, I'm forced
> to
> ask:
> 1. Where's the proof? If science cannot produce the proof, then they're
> asking me to take it on faith. Hmmm...that's exactly what religion asks
> too.
> 2. If the authority is an evolution theory that's still standing, then I'd
> have to say that no one has disproved creationism/ID yet either.
> 3. If either side says, "Because I'm the "illustrious grand poobah" and I
> said so, well then, I'd have to laugh at their arrogance.
> 
> We hold both our scientists and our religious leaders in high esteem. Our
> world is much richer for both but they both have had their dark days.
> Frankly, we NEED both religion and science in our world today.
> 
> What is wrong with teaching both theories? Why not make a place in our
> schools for students to be exposed to both? Virtually every adult over the
> age of 45 WAS exposed to both theories - and it doesn't seem that those
> generations were terribly scarred by the experience.
> 
> Bringing this back to practical museum work - it's so easy to influence
> folks through museum exhibits and programming. I'm always humbled by the
> vast educational influence that we wield. It is so important that we "get
> it
> right" and avoid bending our exhibits and interpretation to the current
> politically correct viewpoint.
> 
> Becky Fitzgerald
> Susquehanna Museum
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