This may seem an odd question, but are there any other faiths that take the Genesis version of how the world was created literally? You hear about it being a purely Christian fundamentalist thing, I'm wondering if there are Jewish or even Muslim groups that believe in Creationism too. Just wondering, Sasha On 8/3/05 12:19 PM, "Mark Janzen" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Rebecca, > > Yes, the "they" in this case are the pushers of Christian philosophy as > science, largely embodied by the Discovery Institute. Sorry if that was not > clear. I do indeed consider the movement rather sinister, but that is > probably the result of my personal feelings on science and my love of my > rights as an American. > > 1. Actually the proof is in the testing that has been done over the past > 125 years. That is what people do not understand about the topic, and the > central reason ID is not a competitor with evolution. No one is asking > anyone to take science on "faith". Science presents the evidence, and > allows it to speak for itself. If you do not think the evidence is > sufficient, and you prefer to assume intelligent design, then so be it. > Just do not call it science. > > 2. ID/creationism can not be disproved...it is faith. As a matter of fact, > no one is trying to disprove it. It is the other way around. Evolution is > definitely still "standing", as nothing has yet presented a substantive > alternative. > > 3. Then you need to start laughing. That is exactly what ID says, but not > is so few words. They believe their point of view is true because their > book says so. End of discussion(from their end anyway). > > You are absolutely correct. Both science and religion are integral parts of > human society and philosophy. We need both. However, what we also need are > people who understand both, and where the dividing lines lie between them. > I do indeed hold both scientific and religious leaders in high esteem, but > leading and making positive contribution is far different from being the > one who shouts the loudest in a conversation. > > Making a place for our children to be exposed to both is what we were just > talking about, and nothing is wrong with it at all. The point is that it > needs to be done in the right place, and the science/biology classroom is > not the place for both. The unscarred adults who have been exposed to both > theories were exposed in the proper places, i.e. biology class and church. > The children who may be subjected to the travesty suggested by ID > proponents will definitely scar our children, and produce an educational > blight that will be very difficult to eradicate once the mistake is made. > > Indeed. We should certainly not allow the current confusion over the nature > of the topic to enter into our interpretations and color the information we > present to the public, whether they think it should be there or not. > > Mark Janzen > Registrar/Collections Manager > Edwin A. Ulrich Museum of Art > Martin H. Bush Outdoor Sculpture Collection > Wichita State University > (316)978-5850 > > > > Rebecca > Fitzgerald > <rafitzgerald@COM To > CAST.NET> [log in to unmask] > Sent by: Museum cc > discussion list > <[log in to unmask] Subject > SE.LSOFT.COM> Re: A washingtonpost.com article > from: [log in to unmask] > > 08/03/2005 01:54 > PM > > > Please respond to > Museum discussion > list > <[log in to unmask] > SE.LSOFT.COM> > > > > > > >> I like to remind people that this controversy is not about evolution or >> even science. It is about telling other people what they should believe, >> and what is right and wrong. > > And this of course is the crux of most of the problems of the world. In > every debate there are those on each side who feel that they're having the > opposite view forced on them. > > By the way, who are "they?" In this case is "they" an organized group > pushing ID, or the millions of people who believe that that God created the > universe and every thing in it, whether in a week, or by initiating that > moment of creation - what some folks call the "big bang." Or is "they" some > other sinister group? > > Science and religion necessarily intersect in this discussion, since both > consider our origin as part of their "turf." So, after many years of > studying this debate, and reading all there is on the subject, I'm forced > to > ask: > 1. Where's the proof? If science cannot produce the proof, then they're > asking me to take it on faith. Hmmm...that's exactly what religion asks > too. > 2. If the authority is an evolution theory that's still standing, then I'd > have to say that no one has disproved creationism/ID yet either. > 3. If either side says, "Because I'm the "illustrious grand poobah" and I > said so, well then, I'd have to laugh at their arrogance. > > We hold both our scientists and our religious leaders in high esteem. Our > world is much richer for both but they both have had their dark days. > Frankly, we NEED both religion and science in our world today. > > What is wrong with teaching both theories? Why not make a place in our > schools for students to be exposed to both? Virtually every adult over the > age of 45 WAS exposed to both theories - and it doesn't seem that those > generations were terribly scarred by the experience. > > Bringing this back to practical museum work - it's so easy to influence > folks through museum exhibits and programming. I'm always humbled by the > vast educational influence that we wield. It is so important that we "get > it > right" and avoid bending our exhibits and interpretation to the current > politically correct viewpoint. > > Becky Fitzgerald > Susquehanna Museum > > ========================================================= > Important Subscriber Information: > > The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > read "help" (without the quotes). > > If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff > Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > ========================================================= > Important Subscriber Information: > > The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ > . 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