After following the thread on the the lack of employment opportunities for
MA grads, I am now disheartened about my potential application to an MA Art
History/Museum Studies programme in the UK. Do the readers have any input on
if the UK job market is as bleak as the US one. I am English but currently
living in the US and this was going to be a new vocation for me.
Sincerely,
Julia
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>Topics of the day:
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> 1. biased question about museum guards (2)
> 2. entry level positions -- when moving's not an option (2)
> 3. trying to get back into museum work after graduating with PhD (2)
> 4. tips given to security guards and other staff (5)
> 5. Call for papers/presentations
> 6. Survey of Teachers' use of the Web (3)
> 7. Comment on Museum Employment--an Unscientific Study
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:47:25 +0200
>From: CulPropProtNet/MusSecNetwork <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: biased question about museum guards
>
>On 14 May 2004 at 8:20, Sue Bodemer wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > What do ya'll tell your staff (especially security guards) about tips?
>Have
> > they been offered to them by visitors? Are they allowed to accept them?
> > What if the visitor INSISTS?
>
>Dear Sue Bodemer,
>
>Interesting question, even though I really do not like the
>'especially security guards' specification. How about curators and
>museum directors with their dinner parties, business trips all over
>the world, free catalogues and books, gifts by artists, and their
>pleasant annual income ... ?
>
>Start paying your guards a proper salary, put up a sign 'no tips' at
>the entrance, and especially at the cloak room of your museum, and
>this question will become obsolete.
>
>Why not develop a 'no tips' policy in your museum without sending
>this prejudiced suggestion about your guards on Museum-L for the
>global museum community to read?
>
>
>Ton Cremers
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:56:14 -0700
>From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: entry level positions -- when moving's not an option
>
>--- "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > And I will never forget how to spell grammar again. (I used to mess up
> > "calendar" also until a resume edit a couple of years ago) :)
>
>Don't feel bad. I had my elementary school students correct my spelling
>when I
>student taught. :)
>
>Deb
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 04:00:38 -0700
>From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: biased question about museum guards
>
>--- CulPropProtNet/MusSecNetwork <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Start paying your guards a proper salary, put up a sign 'no tips' at
> > the entrance, and especially at the cloak room of your museum, and
> > this question will become obsolete.
> >
> > Why not develop a 'no tips' policy in your museum without sending
> > this prejudiced suggestion about your guards on Museum-L for the
> > global museum community to read?
>
>I don't think it's the guards' fault for accepting tips. Some people,
>espeically in the older generation, think it's rude not to tip. It's part
>of
>how they were brought up just like always wearing a hat and gloves when you
>go
>out or holding the door for ladies.
>
>Instead, I would put a sign up saying "all tips will be donated to the
>museum
>or building fund, or education program, or whatnot." That way if people
>insist
>on tipping, your staff can accept it graciously and know what to do with
>the
>money. You might start getting more donations that way too.
>
>Deb
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:41:14 -0400
>From: Loretta Lorance <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: trying to get back into museum work after graduating with PhD
>
>I've been following the entry level discussion and decided to ask for
>advice about my situation. I'm an architectural historian with a new PhD in
>art history. While taking classes I worked in a museum in different
>departments and for a private collector. However, I was, like many graduate
>students, nudged toward teaching. I have volunteered a bit at museums, but
>not regularly, more as time and other commitments have permitted.
>
>As I was completing my degree there were a couple of jobs that interested
>me, director of historic house, education director, registrar (although I'm
>a bit rusty on this, not up to date on computer programs but am a quick
>learner) and usually I didn't even get an acknowledgement of my
>application. I felt that the people on the receiving end might have been
>bothered, perhaps intimidated, by the level of my education. It doesn't
>bother nor impress me to have a PhD, it's something I wanted and
>accomplished and am now ready to move to the next stage of my live.
>Furthermore, I'm not a snooty person (I don't expect to be called Dr.). I
>don't want an entry level position and don't mind volunteering if I have a
>source of income.
>
>I've applied for a couple of teaching positions and would also considered
>applying for museum work in education, curator, director, administrator,
>registrar, etc. Given the job market both in higher education and museums,
>can anyone offer advice about how to apply or get an interview with the PhD
>red flag. I guess I don't have to put it on my business resume, unlike the
>resume I use to apply for teaching jobs. Thanks for any advice.
>
>Loretta Lorance, PhD
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>Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:19:18 -0600
>From: Timothy McShane <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
>
>I've never been at a place with a formal policy, but whenever I've been
>offered a tip, I've taken it with the grace with which it was offered,
>then deposited it into the museum's donation box.
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>Tim McShane, Assistant--Cultural History
>Medicine Hat Museum and Art Gallery
>1302 Bomford Crescent S.W.
>Medicine Hat, AB T1A 5E6
>(403) 502-8587
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> >>> [log in to unmask] 5/14/2004 6:20:05 AM >>>
>Hi!
>
>What do ya'll tell your staff (especially security guards) about tips?
>Have
>they been offered to them by visitors? Are they allowed to accept
>them?
>What if the visitor INSISTS?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Sue Bodemer
>Operations Manager
>Rockwell Museum of Western Art
>111 Cedar St.
>Corning, NY 14830
>607-937-5386 (museum main number)
>607-974-4162 (direct line)
>607-974-4536 (fax)
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>Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:13:00 -0400
>From: beverlye hancock <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Call for papers/presentations
>
>The Society for Applied Anthropology's 2005 annual meeting is in Santa
>Fe, April 6-10. We are hoping to create several session based on
>cooperative projects between applied anthropologists and museums. If
>you have or are participating in such a projectl please submit an
>individual presentatiion abstract for a session OR organize a session of
>presentations, do a poster presentation or put together a roundtable
>discussion. Projects can be social, medical/health, environmental,
>economic, etc. We are looking for innovative ways museums and
>anthropologists can work together.
>
>Deadline for submissions is October 1, 2004. Please send submissions or
>request more information from me [log in to unmask] or Jeanne Simonelli,
>anthropology chair [log in to unmask] Remember too, Santa Fe is a great
>place to be n the spring! Please participate.
>
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>Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:18:37 -0400
>From: Jennifer Lonergan <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
>
>Hi Eric,
>
>I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the survey--we're
>currently looking at ways of making the website more relevant to the
>curriculum, more educational, etc.=20
>Thanks!=20
>Jennifer Lonergan
>Planificatrice en interpr=E9tation - Interpretive Planner=20
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Siegel [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:39 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
>
>
>The New York Hall of Science and Altered Image have completed a survey
>of teachers' use of the WWW to support museum visits. The survey had
>over 1200 respondants who answered 23 questions related to their use of
>the WWW for teaching in general, and specifically as a part of an
>informal education experience. A report analyzing the results of this
>survey is now available.
>
>We were able to persuade the NYC Department of Education to distribute
>the survey through their in-house email system, which resulted in well
>over a 1000 responses from NYC public school educators.
>
>As far as I know, this is the largest such survey, and we will be glad
>to email it to anyone who would like a copy.
>
>Special thanks are due to the National Science Foundation's Informal
>Science Education program for their support, and to Altered Image
>designing the survey and working hard to reach so many teachers.
>
>Eric Siegel
>Director of Planning
> & Program Development
>Connections Project Director
>New York Hall of Science
>47-01 111th Street
>Queens, NY 11368
>[log in to unmask]
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:20:23 EDT
>From: "David E. Haberstich" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: entry level positions -- when moving's not an option
>
>In a message dated 5/14/2004 11:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
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><< I feared I would do such a thing. I now hang my head in shame. E-mail is
> set to automatic spell check now...
>
> And I will never forget how to spell grammar again. (I used to mess up
> "calendar" also until a resume edit a couple of years ago) :) >>
>
>Dear Elizabeth,
>
>Thank you. You are very gracious--and good-humored.
>
>BTW, spell-checkers don't solve everything. In today's Washington Post I
>noted a remark that someone was "pouring" over some papers. No, I didn't
>bother
>to write a correction!
>
>David Haberstich
>(Who just misspelled his own name and had to go back to correct it; sooner
>or
>later I'm sure I'm going to miss it.)
>
>David Haberstich
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:48:28 EDT
>From: "David E. Haberstich" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
>
>Although I think a publicized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that
>anyone receiving a tip should be encouraged to pass it along to the museum,
>I agree
>with the one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard or
>other employee accepting a tip personally.
>
>I think if I wrote a policy on tipping, I would say: (a) actively
>soliciting
>tips is forbidden and could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a
>"surprise"
>tip, tell the tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a general
>fund; (c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally
>(remembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks
>and report
>it on your income tax!
>
>I would be interested in seeing any argument about why a museum employee
>should not accept a tip if the tipper insists.
>
>Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gave me a $5 bill after I agreed to
>expedite his photo order. I've always felt vaguely guilty about this,
>especially since I forgot to report it on my taxes (please don't report me
>to the IRS).
> I am now considering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the
>donations box at the museum entrance.
>
>On perhaps three occasions, I've received small gifts from professional
>colleagues. One was from a Japanese man who had a whole bag of similar
>gifts
>(wrapped) to distribute to museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it
>would be
>culturally injudicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such
>gifts.
>
>David Haberstich
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:25:42 -0700
>From: "R. Morrison" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
>
>please, please get me off of this list--I have followed directions--and
>still can't get off. How hard should this be?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jennifer Lonergan" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:18 AM
>Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
>
>
>Hi Eric,
>
>I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the survey--we're
>currently looking at ways of making the website more relevant to the
>curriculum, more educational, etc.
>Thanks!
>Jennifer Lonergan
>Planificatrice en interprétation - Interpretive Planner
>Musée canadien des civilisations - Canadian Museum of Civilization
>C.P. 3100, succ. B - P.O. Box 3100, Stn. B
> Hull, Québec J8X 4H2
>Canada
>(819) 776-8406
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>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Siegel [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:39 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
>
>
>The New York Hall of Science and Altered Image have completed a survey
>of teachers' use of the WWW to support museum visits. The survey had
>over 1200 respondants who answered 23 questions related to their use of
>the WWW for teaching in general, and specifically as a part of an
>informal education experience. A report analyzing the results of this
>survey is now available.
>
>We were able to persuade the NYC Department of Education to distribute
>the survey through their in-house email system, which resulted in well
>over a 1000 responses from NYC public school educators.
>
>As far as I know, this is the largest such survey, and we will be glad
>to email it to anyone who would like a copy.
>
>Special thanks are due to the National Science Foundation's Informal
>Science Education program for their support, and to Altered Image
>designing the survey and working hard to reach so many teachers.
>
>Eric Siegel
>Director of Planning
> & Program Development
>Connections Project Director
>New York Hall of Science
>47-01 111th Street
>Queens, NY 11368
>[log in to unmask]
>www.nyscience.org
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:53:33 -0500
>From: Ware Petznick <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
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>Although I am not currently working for a museum - though I hope that thi=
>s will change soon - I am working as a temp for Muscular Dystrophy as the=
>ir Auction Coordinator. In soliciting gifts for the MDA's Black and Blue =
>Ball coming up June 5th, I targeted Grey Goose vodka because I saw their =
>ad in Boston Magazine. Being positive about their product was not merely =
>a matter of salesmanship, because I do personally love Grey Goose vodka a=
>nd agree that it is the best tasting. The Sales and Marketing Director wh=
>o responded to my request for a donation was impressed by my enthusiasm a=
>nd agreed to donate a magnum bottle to the auction... and said that she w=
>anted to send a t-shirt to me personally. I thanked her but felt a little=
> uncomfortable in personally benefiting from my position. I asked my supe=
>rvisor if I could accept the Grey Goose gift and she replied that they ha=
>d plenty of t-shirts and encouraged me to take it away out of the office!
>
>So, in this case, I think that I have not crossed any boundaries. I would=
> welcome any arguments to the contrary!
>
>Still hopeful to find a permanent museum role!
>Ware
>
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>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David E. Haberstich
>Sent: 15 May 2004 14:02
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
>
>Although I think a publicized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that
>anyone receiving a tip should be encouraged to pass it along to the museu=
>m, I agree
>with the one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard o=
>r
>other employee accepting a tip personally.
>
>I think if I wrote a policy on tipping, I would say: (a) actively solicit=
>ing
>tips is forbidden and could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a "surpri=
>se"
>tip, tell the tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a gener=
>al
>fund; (c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally
>(remembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks =
>and report
>it on your income tax!
>
>I would be interested in seeing any argument about why a museum employee
>should not accept a tip if the tipper insists.
>
>Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gave me a $5 bill after I agreed t=
>o
>expedite his photo order. I've always felt vaguely guilty about this,
>especially since I forgot to report it on my taxes (please don't report m=
>e to the IRS).
>I am now considering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the
>donations box at the museum entrance.
>
>On perhaps three occasions, I've received small gifts from professional
>colleagues. One was from a Japanese man who had a whole bag of similar g=
>ifts
>(wrapped) to distribute to museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it=
> would be
>culturally injudicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such gif=
>ts.
>
>David Haberstich
>
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>cular Dystrophy as their Auction Coordinator. In soliciting gifts for the=
> MDA's Black and Blue Ball coming up June 5th, I targeted Grey Goose vodk=
>a because I saw their ad in Boston Magazine. Being positive about their p=
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>ove Grey Goose vodka and agree that it is the best tasting. The Sales and=
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> should be encouraged to pass it along to the museum, I agree<BR>with the=
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>y on tipping, I would say: (a) actively soliciting<BR>tips is forbidden a=
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>d report<BR>it on your income tax!<BR><BR>I would be interested in seeing=
> any argument about why a museum employee<BR>should not accept a tip if t=
>he tipper insists.<BR><BR>Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gav=
>e me a $5 bill after I agreed to<BR>expedite his photo order. I've =
>always felt vaguely guilty about this,<BR>especially since I forgot to re=
>port it on my taxes (please don't report me to the IRS).<BR>I am now cons=
>idering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the<BR>donations box =
>at the museum entrance.<BR><BR>On perhaps three occasions, I've received =
>small gifts from professional<BR>colleagues. One was from a Japanes=
>e man who had a whole bag of similar gifts<BR>(wrapped) to distribute to =
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:55:46 -0700
>From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
>
>Welcome to the Hotel California . . . you can check
>out any time you want, but you can never leave
>(smile).
>
>Here. This method has always proven more effective
>for me when I have needed to leave while on vacation
>(I'll never read all the catch-up mail, so it's just
>easier for me this way).
>
>Go to the archives. Everybody should save this link,
>I think. You can sign out (or back in) there.
>
>http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/museum-l.html
>
>
>
>
>--- "R. Morrison" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > please, please get me off of this list--I have
> > followed directions--and
> > still can't get off. How hard should this be?
> >
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:34 -0700
>From: Adrienne DeAngelis <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: trying to get back into museum work after graduating with PhD
>
> The motto of my "resources" site (from an older and obviously
>embittered prof) works well here : "You might as well apply for everything
>because who gets what is totally arbitrary..."
>At the very least hiring decisions are often not logical.
>
>
> Adrienne DeAngelis, Editoress
> RESOURCES IN ART HISTORY FOR GRADUATE STUDENTS
> (http://members.efn.org/~acd/resources.html)
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:10:02 -0700
>From: "Katherine H. Child" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
>
>Talk about gifts! We recently had our Japanese Friendship Doll restored by
>the Japanese company that originally made most of the dolls (late 1920s).
>When the doll was returned to us, she came along with two "sister" dolls
>(made in honor of our doll's "visit" home) that were specifically for me
>and
>our Director of Education. Neither of us felt comfortable about accepting
>the dolls, so they are currently in our collections storage along with the
>Friendship Doll accessories. We don't really know what to do with them.
>These dolls are worth several hundred dollars apiece.
>
>Katherine Child Jonelis
>Curator
>Phoenix Museum of History
>105 N. 5th Street
>Phoenix, AZ 85004
>Phone: 602-253-2734 ext. 228
>Fax: 602-253-2348
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:29:06 -0700
>From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Comment on Museum Employment--an Unscientific Study
>
>Those of you who have been here a while will recall
>that I run four daily MuseNews listservs. I simply
>provide information that I've culled from "out there,"
>and it is not the newsletter than Roger provides. The
>lists are small, but fairly steady.
>
>They are:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-Art
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-General
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-History
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-Science
>
>I think there's an interesting tie between the number
>of participants, the number of articles available, and
>the relationship to why so many have a hard time
>finding jobs.
>
>First membership today, including bounces, is as
>follows:
>
>Art 88
>General 36
>History 74
>Science 25
>
>While membership has been higher and lower, it's
>fairly consistent of late.
>
>Now, where are the news articles in order of priority?
>
>History
>Science
>General
>Art
>
>I think that, if these lists represent the bias in the
>job market, more of you are trying to find jobs in art
>than in history, and far, far, too few of you are
>looking for jobs in the sciences. I do get lots of
>news for general (zoos, botanical gardens, arboretums,
>libraries, children's museums, state parks, aquaria,
>etc.), and yet I don't see many candidates here who
>are looking for those opportunities.
>
>I am absolutely stunned that so few put an emphasis on
>the sciences. It never ceases to amaze me just how
>few are interested there when there is so much that is
>consistently being discovered. Just the news having
>to do with planetaria and observatories alone--in my
>biased mind--is enough to make one curious.
>
>Much of what I publish comes to me daily through the
>http://news.google.com alerts I've established
>(including galleries, archaeology, and anthropology in
>addition to the topics abve). That has turned out to
>be a tremendous--free--resource with worldwide info at
>one's fingertips.
>
>As I write this, when we have discussed the concept of
>transferrable job skills, have all you art majors out
>there given thought to possibly altering your emphasis
>or trying in another museum market other than the one
>in which you had originally hoped to gain employment?
>It would seem to me that many of the core skills would
>be transferrable, and you might be able to curate an
>exhibit in such a way that the beauty of science could
>be clearly demonstrated.
>
>Some of these thoughts could clearly be my own bias.
>I've always loved science. Required to take one to
>graduate, I took two, and I wanted to take a dozen
>except that--when you go to school at night--these
>classes frequently just aren't available.
>
>With the internet, however, the world is your
>classroom, and there is great info at your fingertips
>such that a candidate who had dedicated him/herself to
>art could readily do some catch-up. After all, you've
>already acquired the most transferrable job skill of
>all--the art of learning.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>P.S. To the person who got their PhD and said they
>were applying for jobs as directors--the one
>overwhelming thought that popped in my head is that,
>unless I am interpreting what you have offered
>incorrectly, no matter how educated you are, you do
>not start at the top, and applying for director is
>probably not going to be as readily fruitful. You
>have to crawl before you can walk, and you may have to
>apply for "a lesser" position until you can get some
>experience under your belt. That may mean working for
>less money.
>
>There are risks there. If you start in one
>institution and accept less, they may think it's ok to
>pay you less in the next position there. You may have
>to jump institutions once you get the required
>experience in order to get the pay.
>
>P.S.S. Hey, David H. Spell checkers aren't going to
>catch the bane of my existence--homonyms. I have done
>a couple of "their" when I meant "there" and do a
>major arggggghhhh behind the scenes.
>
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>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:59:41 -0400
>From: Nicholas Burlakoff <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
>
>The reason that tips and gifts should not be given to, or accepted by,
>employees as individuals fall into the following categories:
>1) Customary practices. Museums are not restaurants or taxicabs and
>employees do not provide an individual service in expectation of a tip.
>2) There can be serious ethical questions raised by accepting gifts that
>are
>related to the museum's collection. Thomas Hoving relates one experience
>where a bribe was solicited by a foreign museum head in the form of a
>"gift."
>3) Personnel morale. Folks who are not in a position to benefit will in
>very
>short order criticize folks, who are in a position to receive tips. For
>example, a curator, guard, or docent may be offered a tip but seldom will
>the janitor or exhibit builder be so rewarded. My experience is that folks
>love to count benefits others receive, that they don't, and then resent the
>recipients. We had an example of this posted on this list. A question was
>raised about gifts to curators and directors. The people who do not receive
>a benefit also have the tendency to exaggerate the value of the benefit
>that
>they don't receive. In museums I have headed, just as there were strict
>prohibitions for receiving tips, so all gifts given to employees as part of
>their job function, or position at the museum, became the property of the
>museum. The only exemption to this were trivial gifts such as decals,
>postcards, brochures, or tee shirts. Books, catalogs, reproductions etc.
>always belonged to the museum. Additionally, by not allowing personnel to
>accept individual gifts we helped them from feeling obligated to give gifts
>in return, and the museum does not have to develop a gift fund for
>reciprocating these courtesies.
>4) Simplicity. A policy that is pretty much an absolute prohibition is easy
>to understand and difficult to evade. If a policy is instituted that calls
>for interpretation, it is a guarantor that some unforeseen gross violation
>will occur at some point. Then an argument will ensue with all sorts of
>intellectual trickery and rationalizations and bad feelings, in the end, on
>both sides. When people know: no tips and no gifts, life is simplified in
>this area immeasurably. Enforcement of discipline is also simplified, in
>most instances.
>The reason that I was particularly careful and adamant in this area when I
>headed a maritime museum is that the Coast Guard interprets the receipt of
>even one cigarette as "payment." So if anyone accepted a gift in our museum
>and then were given a ride on our ship they would, according to the
>Coasties, become "fare paying passengers" undermining our Coast Guard
>classification and inviting legal sanctions at worst, and insurance
>problems
>at the least. I can't adequately describe the joy of spending one
>blistering-hot August afternoon in a cabin of a 17th century vessel arguing
>with a Coast Guard Commodore about a party of dignitaries that we were
>scheduled to take an orientation cruise on our vessel. Trust me, a policy
>of
>no gifts or tips makes life much simpler for everyone.
>Cheers, -Nicholas
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
>Of Katherine H. Child
>Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:10 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
>
>Talk about gifts! We recently had our Japanese Friendship Doll restored by
>the Japanese company that originally made most of the dolls (late 1920s).
>When the doll was returned to us, she came along with two "sister" dolls
>(made in honor of our doll's "visit" home) that were specifically for me
>and
>our Director of Education. Neither of us felt comfortable about accepting
>the dolls, so they are currently in our collections storage along with the
>Friendship Doll accessories. We don't really know what to do with them.
>These dolls are worth several hundred dollars apiece.
>
>Katherine Child Jonelis
>Curator
>Phoenix Museum of History
>105 N. 5th Street
>Phoenix, AZ 85004
>Phone: 602-253-2734 ext. 228
>Fax: 602-253-2348
>[log in to unmask]
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