After following the thread on the the lack of employment opportunities for MA grads, I am now disheartened about my potential application to an MA Art History/Museum Studies programme in the UK. Do the readers have any input on if the UK job market is as bleak as the US one. I am English but currently living in the US and this was going to be a new vocation for me. Sincerely, Julia >From: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: Museum discussion list <[log in to unmask]> >To: Recipients of MUSEUM-L digests <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: MUSEUM-L Digest - 14 May 2004 to 15 May 2004 (#2004-116) >Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 00:04:27 -0400 > >There are 16 messages totalling 1082 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > > 1. biased question about museum guards (2) > 2. entry level positions -- when moving's not an option (2) > 3. trying to get back into museum work after graduating with PhD (2) > 4. tips given to security guards and other staff (5) > 5. Call for papers/presentations > 6. Survey of Teachers' use of the Web (3) > 7. Comment on Museum Employment--an Unscientific Study > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:47:25 +0200 >From: CulPropProtNet/MusSecNetwork <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: biased question about museum guards > >On 14 May 2004 at 8:20, Sue Bodemer wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > What do ya'll tell your staff (especially security guards) about tips? >Have > > they been offered to them by visitors? Are they allowed to accept them? > > What if the visitor INSISTS? > >Dear Sue Bodemer, > >Interesting question, even though I really do not like the >'especially security guards' specification. How about curators and >museum directors with their dinner parties, business trips all over >the world, free catalogues and books, gifts by artists, and their >pleasant annual income ... ? > >Start paying your guards a proper salary, put up a sign 'no tips' at >the entrance, and especially at the cloak room of your museum, and >this question will become obsolete. > >Why not develop a 'no tips' policy in your museum without sending >this prejudiced suggestion about your guards on Museum-L for the >global museum community to read? > > >Ton Cremers > > > > > > > > >_____________________________ > >http://www.museum-security.org >http://www.cpprot.net >http://www.adviesconsortium.net > >All our outgoing mails are checked for viruses. >________________________ > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:56:14 -0700 >From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: entry level positions -- when moving's not an option > >--- "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > And I will never forget how to spell grammar again. (I used to mess up > > "calendar" also until a resume edit a couple of years ago) :) > >Don't feel bad. I had my elementary school students correct my spelling >when I >student taught. :) > >Deb > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. >http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 04:00:38 -0700 >From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: biased question about museum guards > >--- CulPropProtNet/MusSecNetwork <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Start paying your guards a proper salary, put up a sign 'no tips' at > > the entrance, and especially at the cloak room of your museum, and > > this question will become obsolete. > > > > Why not develop a 'no tips' policy in your museum without sending > > this prejudiced suggestion about your guards on Museum-L for the > > global museum community to read? > >I don't think it's the guards' fault for accepting tips. Some people, >espeically in the older generation, think it's rude not to tip. It's part >of >how they were brought up just like always wearing a hat and gloves when you >go >out or holding the door for ladies. > >Instead, I would put a sign up saying "all tips will be donated to the >museum >or building fund, or education program, or whatnot." That way if people >insist >on tipping, your staff can accept it graciously and know what to do with >the >money. You might start getting more donations that way too. > >Deb > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. >http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:41:14 -0400 >From: Loretta Lorance <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: trying to get back into museum work after graduating with PhD > >I've been following the entry level discussion and decided to ask for >advice about my situation. I'm an architectural historian with a new PhD in >art history. While taking classes I worked in a museum in different >departments and for a private collector. However, I was, like many graduate >students, nudged toward teaching. I have volunteered a bit at museums, but >not regularly, more as time and other commitments have permitted. > >As I was completing my degree there were a couple of jobs that interested >me, director of historic house, education director, registrar (although I'm >a bit rusty on this, not up to date on computer programs but am a quick >learner) and usually I didn't even get an acknowledgement of my >application. I felt that the people on the receiving end might have been >bothered, perhaps intimidated, by the level of my education. It doesn't >bother nor impress me to have a PhD, it's something I wanted and >accomplished and am now ready to move to the next stage of my live. >Furthermore, I'm not a snooty person (I don't expect to be called Dr.). I >don't want an entry level position and don't mind volunteering if I have a >source of income. > >I've applied for a couple of teaching positions and would also considered >applying for museum work in education, curator, director, administrator, >registrar, etc. Given the job market both in higher education and museums, >can anyone offer advice about how to apply or get an interview with the PhD >red flag. I guess I don't have to put it on my business resume, unlike the >resume I use to apply for teaching jobs. Thanks for any advice. > >Loretta Lorance, PhD >[log in to unmask] > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . 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The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:19:18 -0600 >From: Timothy McShane <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > >I've never been at a place with a formal policy, but whenever I've been >offered a tip, I've taken it with the grace with which it was offered, >then deposited it into the museum's donation box. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >Tim McShane, Assistant--Cultural History >Medicine Hat Museum and Art Gallery >1302 Bomford Crescent S.W. >Medicine Hat, AB T1A 5E6 >(403) 502-8587 >[log in to unmask] > > >>> [log in to unmask] 5/14/2004 6:20:05 AM >>> >Hi! > >What do ya'll tell your staff (especially security guards) about tips? >Have >they been offered to them by visitors? Are they allowed to accept >them? >What if the visitor INSISTS? > >Thanks for your help. > >Sue Bodemer >Operations Manager >Rockwell Museum of Western Art >111 Cedar St. >Corning, NY 14830 >607-937-5386 (museum main number) >607-974-4162 (direct line) >607-974-4536 (fax) >[log in to unmask] >www.rockwellmuseum.org > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message >to [log in to unmask] . 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The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:13:00 -0400 >From: beverlye hancock <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Call for papers/presentations > >The Society for Applied Anthropology's 2005 annual meeting is in Santa >Fe, April 6-10. We are hoping to create several session based on >cooperative projects between applied anthropologists and museums. If >you have or are participating in such a projectl please submit an >individual presentatiion abstract for a session OR organize a session of >presentations, do a poster presentation or put together a roundtable >discussion. Projects can be social, medical/health, environmental, >economic, etc. We are looking for innovative ways museums and >anthropologists can work together. > >Deadline for submissions is October 1, 2004. Please send submissions or >request more information from me [log in to unmask] or Jeanne Simonelli, >anthropology chair [log in to unmask] Remember too, Santa Fe is a great >place to be n the spring! Please participate. > >Beverlye Hancock, Curator >Museum of Anthropology/Wake Forest University >P.O. Box 7267 >Winston-Salem, NC 27109 > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:18:37 -0400 >From: Jennifer Lonergan <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > >Hi Eric, > >I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the survey--we're >currently looking at ways of making the website more relevant to the >curriculum, more educational, etc.=20 >Thanks!=20 >Jennifer Lonergan >Planificatrice en interpr=E9tation - Interpretive Planner=20 >Mus=E9e canadien des civilisations - Canadian Museum of Civilization >C.P. 3100, succ. B - P.O. Box 3100, Stn. B > Hull, Qu=E9bec J8X 4H2 >Canada >(819) 776-8406 >[log in to unmask] > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Eric Siegel [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:39 PM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > > >The New York Hall of Science and Altered Image have completed a survey >of teachers' use of the WWW to support museum visits. The survey had >over 1200 respondants who answered 23 questions related to their use of >the WWW for teaching in general, and specifically as a part of an >informal education experience. A report analyzing the results of this >survey is now available. > >We were able to persuade the NYC Department of Education to distribute >the survey through their in-house email system, which resulted in well >over a 1000 responses from NYC public school educators. > >As far as I know, this is the largest such survey, and we will be glad >to email it to anyone who would like a copy. > >Special thanks are due to the National Science Foundation's Informal >Science Education program for their support, and to Altered Image >designing the survey and working hard to reach so many teachers. > >Eric Siegel >Director of Planning > & Program Development >Connections Project Director >New York Hall of Science >47-01 111th Street >Queens, NY 11368 >[log in to unmask] >www.nyscience.org > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . 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The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:20:23 EDT >From: "David E. Haberstich" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: entry level positions -- when moving's not an option > >In a message dated 5/14/2004 11:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[log in to unmask] writes: > ><< I feared I would do such a thing. I now hang my head in shame. E-mail is > set to automatic spell check now... > > And I will never forget how to spell grammar again. (I used to mess up > "calendar" also until a resume edit a couple of years ago) :) >> > >Dear Elizabeth, > >Thank you. You are very gracious--and good-humored. > >BTW, spell-checkers don't solve everything. In today's Washington Post I >noted a remark that someone was "pouring" over some papers. No, I didn't >bother >to write a correction! > >David Haberstich >(Who just misspelled his own name and had to go back to correct it; sooner >or >later I'm sure I'm going to miss it.) > >David Haberstich > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:48:28 EDT >From: "David E. Haberstich" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > >Although I think a publicized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that >anyone receiving a tip should be encouraged to pass it along to the museum, >I agree >with the one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard or >other employee accepting a tip personally. > >I think if I wrote a policy on tipping, I would say: (a) actively >soliciting >tips is forbidden and could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a >"surprise" >tip, tell the tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a general >fund; (c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally >(remembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks >and report >it on your income tax! > >I would be interested in seeing any argument about why a museum employee >should not accept a tip if the tipper insists. > >Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gave me a $5 bill after I agreed to >expedite his photo order. I've always felt vaguely guilty about this, >especially since I forgot to report it on my taxes (please don't report me >to the IRS). > I am now considering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the >donations box at the museum entrance. > >On perhaps three occasions, I've received small gifts from professional >colleagues. One was from a Japanese man who had a whole bag of similar >gifts >(wrapped) to distribute to museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it >would be >culturally injudicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such >gifts. > >David Haberstich > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . 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How hard should this be? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jennifer Lonergan" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:18 AM >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > > >Hi Eric, > >I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the survey--we're >currently looking at ways of making the website more relevant to the >curriculum, more educational, etc. >Thanks! >Jennifer Lonergan >Planificatrice en interprétation - Interpretive Planner >Musée canadien des civilisations - Canadian Museum of Civilization >C.P. 3100, succ. B - P.O. Box 3100, Stn. B > Hull, Québec J8X 4H2 >Canada >(819) 776-8406 >[log in to unmask] > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Eric Siegel [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:39 PM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > > >The New York Hall of Science and Altered Image have completed a survey >of teachers' use of the WWW to support museum visits. The survey had >over 1200 respondants who answered 23 questions related to their use of >the WWW for teaching in general, and specifically as a part of an >informal education experience. A report analyzing the results of this >survey is now available. > >We were able to persuade the NYC Department of Education to distribute >the survey through their in-house email system, which resulted in well >over a 1000 responses from NYC public school educators. > >As far as I know, this is the largest such survey, and we will be glad >to email it to anyone who would like a copy. > >Special thanks are due to the National Science Foundation's Informal >Science Education program for their support, and to Altered Image >designing the survey and working hard to reach so many teachers. > >Eric Siegel >Director of Planning > & Program Development >Connections Project Director >New York Hall of Science >47-01 111th Street >Queens, NY 11368 >[log in to unmask] >www.nyscience.org > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . 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The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:53:33 -0500 >From: Ware Petznick <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > >------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C43A8C.64EB4830 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >Although I am not currently working for a museum - though I hope that thi= >s will change soon - I am working as a temp for Muscular Dystrophy as the= >ir Auction Coordinator. In soliciting gifts for the MDA's Black and Blue = >Ball coming up June 5th, I targeted Grey Goose vodka because I saw their = >ad in Boston Magazine. Being positive about their product was not merely = >a matter of salesmanship, because I do personally love Grey Goose vodka a= >nd agree that it is the best tasting. The Sales and Marketing Director wh= >o responded to my request for a donation was impressed by my enthusiasm a= >nd agreed to donate a magnum bottle to the auction... and said that she w= >anted to send a t-shirt to me personally. I thanked her but felt a little= > uncomfortable in personally benefiting from my position. I asked my supe= >rvisor if I could accept the Grey Goose gift and she replied that they ha= >d plenty of t-shirts and encouraged me to take it away out of the office! > >So, in this case, I think that I have not crossed any boundaries. I would= > welcome any arguments to the contrary! > >Still hopeful to find a permanent museum role! >Ware > >www.geocities.com/staforlife/museumresume.html > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David E. Haberstich >Sent: 15 May 2004 14:02 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > >Although I think a publicized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that >anyone receiving a tip should be encouraged to pass it along to the museu= >m, I agree >with the one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard o= >r >other employee accepting a tip personally. > >I think if I wrote a policy on tipping, I would say: (a) actively solicit= >ing >tips is forbidden and could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a "surpri= >se" >tip, tell the tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a gener= >al >fund; (c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally >(remembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks = >and report >it on your income tax! > >I would be interested in seeing any argument about why a museum employee >should not accept a tip if the tipper insists. > >Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gave me a $5 bill after I agreed t= >o >expedite his photo order. I've always felt vaguely guilty about this, >especially since I forgot to report it on my taxes (please don't report m= >e to the IRS). >I am now considering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the >donations box at the museum entrance. > >On perhaps three occasions, I've received small gifts from professional >colleagues. One was from a Japanese man who had a whole bag of similar g= >ifts >(wrapped) to distribute to museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it= > would be >culturally injudicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such gif= >ts. > >David Haberstich > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-= >faq/ . 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The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C43A8C.64EB4830 >Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ><HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV> </DIV> <= >DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Although I am not currently working for a museum - = >though I hope that this will change soon - I am working as a temp for Mus= >cular Dystrophy as their Auction Coordinator. In soliciting gifts for the= > MDA's Black and Blue Ball coming up June 5th, I targeted Grey Goose vodk= >a because I saw their ad in Boston Magazine. Being positive about their p= >roduct was not merely a matter of salesmanship, because I do personally l= >ove Grey Goose vodka and agree that it is the best tasting. The Sales and= > Marketing Director who responded to my request for a donation was impres= >sed by my enthusiasm and agreed to donate a magnum bottle to the auction.= >. and said that she wanted to send a t-shirt to me personally. I thanked= > her but felt a little uncomfortable in personally benefiting from my pos= >ition. I asked my supervisor if I could accept the Grey Goose gift and sh= >e replied that they had plenty of t-shirts and encouraged me to take it a= >way out of the office!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, in this case, I t= >hink that I have not crossed any boundaries. I would welcome any argument= >s to the contrary!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still hopeful to find a p= >ermanent museum role!</DIV> <DIV>Ware</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A hre= >f=3D"http://www.geocities.com/staforlife/museumresume.html">www.geocities= >com/staforlife/museumresume.html</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE= > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER= >-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Ar= >ial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4= >; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> David E. Haberstich</DIV> = ><DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> 15 May 2004 14:02</DIV> <DIV= > style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> [log in to unmask]</DIV>= > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: tips given to securi= >ty guards and other staff</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Although I think a publi= >cized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that<BR>anyone receiving a tip= > should be encouraged to pass it along to the museum, I agree<BR>with the= > one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard or<BR>oth= >er employee accepting a tip personally.<BR><BR>I think if I wrote a polic= >y on tipping, I would say: (a) actively soliciting<BR>tips is forbidden a= >nd could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a "surprise"<BR>tip, tell th= >e tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a general<BR>fund; = >(c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally<BR>(r= >emembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks an= >d report<BR>it on your income tax!<BR><BR>I would be interested in seeing= > any argument about why a museum employee<BR>should not accept a tip if t= >he tipper insists.<BR><BR>Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gav= >e me a $5 bill after I agreed to<BR>expedite his photo order. I've = >always felt vaguely guilty about this,<BR>especially since I forgot to re= >port it on my taxes (please don't report me to the IRS).<BR>I am now cons= >idering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the<BR>donations box = >at the museum entrance.<BR><BR>On perhaps three occasions, I've received = >small gifts from professional<BR>colleagues. One was from a Japanes= >e man who had a whole bag of similar gifts<BR>(wrapped) to distribute to = >museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it would be<BR>culturally inj= >udicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such gifts.<BR><B= >R>David Haberstich<BR><BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>Important Subscriber = >Information:<BR><BR>The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalc= >hapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed information about the = >listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] >ase.lsoft.com . The body of the message should read "help" (without the q= >uotes).<BR><BR>If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-= >mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message sh= >ould read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes).<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY= > ></HTML> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Important Subscriber Information: ><p> >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). ><p> >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C43A8C.64EB4830-- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:55:46 -0700 >From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > >Welcome to the Hotel California . . . you can check >out any time you want, but you can never leave >(smile). > >Here. This method has always proven more effective >for me when I have needed to leave while on vacation >(I'll never read all the catch-up mail, so it's just >easier for me this way). > >Go to the archives. Everybody should save this link, >I think. You can sign out (or back in) there. > >http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/museum-l.html > > > > >--- "R. Morrison" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > please, please get me off of this list--I have > > followed directions--and > > still can't get off. How hard should this be? > > > >===== >Indigo Nights >[log in to unmask] > >Looking for a Job? Try Got Links?, Your One-Stop Portal >http://victorian.fortunecity.com/stanmer/414 > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:34 -0700 >From: Adrienne DeAngelis <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: trying to get back into museum work after graduating with PhD > > The motto of my "resources" site (from an older and obviously >embittered prof) works well here : "You might as well apply for everything >because who gets what is totally arbitrary..." >At the very least hiring decisions are often not logical. > > > Adrienne DeAngelis, Editoress > RESOURCES IN ART HISTORY FOR GRADUATE STUDENTS > (http://members.efn.org/~acd/resources.html) > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:10:02 -0700 >From: "Katherine H. Child" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > >Talk about gifts! We recently had our Japanese Friendship Doll restored by >the Japanese company that originally made most of the dolls (late 1920s). >When the doll was returned to us, she came along with two "sister" dolls >(made in honor of our doll's "visit" home) that were specifically for me >and >our Director of Education. Neither of us felt comfortable about accepting >the dolls, so they are currently in our collections storage along with the >Friendship Doll accessories. We don't really know what to do with them. >These dolls are worth several hundred dollars apiece. > >Katherine Child Jonelis >Curator >Phoenix Museum of History >105 N. 5th Street >Phoenix, AZ 85004 >Phone: 602-253-2734 ext. 228 >Fax: 602-253-2348 >[log in to unmask] > >For more information about the Phoenix Museum of History and its programs, >please click here: > www.pmoh.org > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:29:06 -0700 >From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Comment on Museum Employment--an Unscientific Study > >Those of you who have been here a while will recall >that I run four daily MuseNews listservs. I simply >provide information that I've culled from "out there," >and it is not the newsletter than Roger provides. The >lists are small, but fairly steady. > >They are: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-Art >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-General >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-History >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-Science > >I think there's an interesting tie between the number >of participants, the number of articles available, and >the relationship to why so many have a hard time >finding jobs. > >First membership today, including bounces, is as >follows: > >Art 88 >General 36 >History 74 >Science 25 > >While membership has been higher and lower, it's >fairly consistent of late. > >Now, where are the news articles in order of priority? > >History >Science >General >Art > >I think that, if these lists represent the bias in the >job market, more of you are trying to find jobs in art >than in history, and far, far, too few of you are >looking for jobs in the sciences. I do get lots of >news for general (zoos, botanical gardens, arboretums, >libraries, children's museums, state parks, aquaria, >etc.), and yet I don't see many candidates here who >are looking for those opportunities. > >I am absolutely stunned that so few put an emphasis on >the sciences. It never ceases to amaze me just how >few are interested there when there is so much that is >consistently being discovered. Just the news having >to do with planetaria and observatories alone--in my >biased mind--is enough to make one curious. > >Much of what I publish comes to me daily through the >http://news.google.com alerts I've established >(including galleries, archaeology, and anthropology in >addition to the topics abve). That has turned out to >be a tremendous--free--resource with worldwide info at >one's fingertips. > >As I write this, when we have discussed the concept of >transferrable job skills, have all you art majors out >there given thought to possibly altering your emphasis >or trying in another museum market other than the one >in which you had originally hoped to gain employment? >It would seem to me that many of the core skills would >be transferrable, and you might be able to curate an >exhibit in such a way that the beauty of science could >be clearly demonstrated. > >Some of these thoughts could clearly be my own bias. >I've always loved science. Required to take one to >graduate, I took two, and I wanted to take a dozen >except that--when you go to school at night--these >classes frequently just aren't available. > >With the internet, however, the world is your >classroom, and there is great info at your fingertips >such that a candidate who had dedicated him/herself to >art could readily do some catch-up. After all, you've >already acquired the most transferrable job skill of >all--the art of learning. > >Just a thought. > >P.S. To the person who got their PhD and said they >were applying for jobs as directors--the one >overwhelming thought that popped in my head is that, >unless I am interpreting what you have offered >incorrectly, no matter how educated you are, you do >not start at the top, and applying for director is >probably not going to be as readily fruitful. You >have to crawl before you can walk, and you may have to >apply for "a lesser" position until you can get some >experience under your belt. That may mean working for >less money. > >There are risks there. If you start in one >institution and accept less, they may think it's ok to >pay you less in the next position there. You may have >to jump institutions once you get the required >experience in order to get the pay. > >P.S.S. Hey, David H. Spell checkers aren't going to >catch the bane of my existence--homonyms. I have done >a couple of "their" when I meant "there" and do a >major arggggghhhh behind the scenes. > > >===== >Indigo Nights >[log in to unmask] > >Looking for a Job? Try Got Links?, Your One-Stop Portal >http://victorian.fortunecity.com/stanmer/414 > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should >read "help" (without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:59:41 -0400 >From: Nicholas Burlakoff <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > >The reason that tips and gifts should not be given to, or accepted by, >employees as individuals fall into the following categories: >1) Customary practices. Museums are not restaurants or taxicabs and >employees do not provide an individual service in expectation of a tip. >2) There can be serious ethical questions raised by accepting gifts that >are >related to the museum's collection. Thomas Hoving relates one experience >where a bribe was solicited by a foreign museum head in the form of a >"gift." >3) Personnel morale. Folks who are not in a position to benefit will in >very >short order criticize folks, who are in a position to receive tips. For >example, a curator, guard, or docent may be offered a tip but seldom will >the janitor or exhibit builder be so rewarded. My experience is that folks >love to count benefits others receive, that they don't, and then resent the >recipients. We had an example of this posted on this list. A question was >raised about gifts to curators and directors. The people who do not receive >a benefit also have the tendency to exaggerate the value of the benefit >that >they don't receive. In museums I have headed, just as there were strict >prohibitions for receiving tips, so all gifts given to employees as part of >their job function, or position at the museum, became the property of the >museum. The only exemption to this were trivial gifts such as decals, >postcards, brochures, or tee shirts. Books, catalogs, reproductions etc. >always belonged to the museum. Additionally, by not allowing personnel to >accept individual gifts we helped them from feeling obligated to give gifts >in return, and the museum does not have to develop a gift fund for >reciprocating these courtesies. >4) Simplicity. A policy that is pretty much an absolute prohibition is easy >to understand and difficult to evade. If a policy is instituted that calls >for interpretation, it is a guarantor that some unforeseen gross violation >will occur at some point. Then an argument will ensue with all sorts of >intellectual trickery and rationalizations and bad feelings, in the end, on >both sides. When people know: no tips and no gifts, life is simplified in >this area immeasurably. Enforcement of discipline is also simplified, in >most instances. >The reason that I was particularly careful and adamant in this area when I >headed a maritime museum is that the Coast Guard interprets the receipt of >even one cigarette as "payment." So if anyone accepted a gift in our museum >and then were given a ride on our ship they would, according to the >Coasties, become "fare paying passengers" undermining our Coast Guard >classification and inviting legal sanctions at worst, and insurance >problems >at the least. I can't adequately describe the joy of spending one >blistering-hot August afternoon in a cabin of a 17th century vessel arguing >with a Coast Guard Commodore about a party of dignitaries that we were >scheduled to take an orientation cruise on our vessel. Trust me, a policy >of >no gifts or tips makes life much simpler for everyone. >Cheers, -Nicholas > >-----Original Message----- >From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf >Of Katherine H. Child >Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:10 PM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > >Talk about gifts! We recently had our Japanese Friendship Doll restored by >the Japanese company that originally made most of the dolls (late 1920s). >When the doll was returned to us, she came along with two "sister" dolls >(made in honor of our doll's "visit" home) that were specifically for me >and >our Director of Education. Neither of us felt comfortable about accepting >the dolls, so they are currently in our collections storage along with the >Friendship Doll accessories. We don't really know what to do with them. >These dolls are worth several hundred dollars apiece. > >Katherine Child Jonelis >Curator >Phoenix Museum of History >105 N. 5th Street >Phoenix, AZ 85004 >Phone: 602-253-2734 ext. 228 >Fax: 602-253-2348 >[log in to unmask] > >For more information about the Phoenix Museum of History and its programs, >please click here: > www.pmoh.org > >========================================================= >Important Subscriber Information: > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >message >to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read >"help" >(without the quotes). > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to >[log in to unmask] . 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