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Buzz!  Wrong!

There is no solid proof that creatures involved up to man.  Similiaries of different animals or life form
does not prove evolution.  Again these species who are to a supposed chain up to man died or
killed off  by a stronger or different species/creature.  It is all theories hanging upon the thread of "belief".  And the "theories" has changed as new discoveres come into focus.   

Again, both (evolution and creation concepts) are totally upon faith and belief. 

There is nothing wrong with a musuem using exhibits to be created to tell the story of either.  Such
prejudice, one-sided thinking is just like the days of cabinets of curosity, when only certain people
could view museums.  Now evolutionist are telling us what is suppoed to be the act of creation,
with only their thinking and everyone else is wrong.  That is sheer stupidty, when we in the museum
world create exhibits for the public as you said for enjoyment and entertainment  --as long as it
fits such shallow and controlled thinking.  

People who want to see the creationalist museum, let them go to it.  No big deal.  No offense,
but we need not wet our pants becasie twp different theories or belief systems are out there.  Let
the public decide what they want to see and believe.  That is what a museum is about -- free
flowing exhibits, not controlled by bias exhibitors, directors or one-side museum professionals.

John

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gayle<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
  To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
  Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:09 PM
  Subject: [MUSEUM-L] Word Game Creation


  The question has arisen in the creation thread as to whether the Creation Museum is just that, a museum.  I think there's a little narcissim that goes on in the museum sector, that museum needs to be as defined by one or more specific organizations (AAM, ICOM, etc.).  While that works for the rules of the groups that belong, they may not, in fact, work for the people who create museums--even if those museums don't match your perception of what constitutes a museum.  So, I decided to do a little digging online for definitions.

  According to Wikipedia:

  Museum Definitions
  The Museums Association<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museums_Association> definition (adopted 1998) is:
        " Museums enable people to explore collections for inspiration, learning and enjoyment. They are institutions that collect, safeguard and make accessible artefacts and specimens, which they hold in trust for society. " 

  A previous Museums Association definition was:
    "A museum is an institution which collects, documents, preserves, exhibits and interprets material evidence and associated information for the public benefit." 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum#Museum_Definitions<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum#Museum_Definitions>

  Now many of us who have stronger leanings in science find the Creation museum to be a farce, failing to hold up to the standards of science.  But, to the bigger question of are they a museum, by the definition above, the answer would seem yes.  They inspire, people learn (remember, that can be very subjective), and they hold things in trust for a segment of society.  Clearly, they interpret.  

  According to Wiki, the ICOM definition includes:

  A museum is a "permanent institution in the service of society and of its development, open to the public, which acquires, conserves, researches, communicates and exhibits, for purposes of study, education<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education>, enjoyment<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment>, the tangible and intangible evidence of people and their environment" (ICOM<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICOM> definition).[1]<http://icom.museum/ethics.html#1def>

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum>

  All the creation talk clearly falls into the intangible side of the equation, relying on belief as opposed to science.

  Querying ICOM itself, I found:

        ICOM Definition of a Museum << Back to Previous Page<javascript:history.go(-1)> 


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  "A museum is a non-profit making, permanent institution in the service of society and of its development, and open to the public, which acquires, conserves, researches, communicates and exhibits, for purposes of study, education and enjoyment, material evidence of people and their environment. (...)"

  http://icom.museum/definition.html<http://icom.museum/definition.html>

  For some on the Creation side, one could argue it's there to study, provide (biblical) education, and simply enjoyment.   Again, one could argue it is a museum.

  Going to the AAM site, one can find the AAM, ICOM, and IMLS definitions of a museum:

  http://www.aam-us.org/aboutmuseums/whatis.cfm<http://www.aam-us.org/aboutmuseums/whatis.cfm>

  As much as many of us are averse to the Creation Museum, it would seem to me based on the evidence at hand, one cannot say it is not a museum.  We may not like the content or what is being portrayed, but we cannot counter the fact that it is a museum and has a right to exist . . . 

  OR CAN WE?  I leave that to you guys to duke out.




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