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On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Nader Rastegar wrote:

> Is this posting allowed to go on unopposed?  Because if it is, I  
> have very forceful response to it.  This is simply ANOTHER Evidence  
> of Hate Talk and packed with LIES and DECEIT - just like the UNJUST  
> War it supports.
>
> Terror is what has been unleashed on 7 million Palestinians for the  
> past 50 years.  Terror is what has been unleashed in the Middle  
> East by our Invasion and Occupation of a Sovereign Nation.
>
> Who is this creep Tim Bottoms?  A Follower of Pat Robertson or  
> Benjamin Netanyahu?
>
> Nader Rastegar
>
> Tim Bottoms <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Why We Must Win This War!
>
>
> "With what recently happened in London, consider this, when you  
> have the time to really read it" -----  Major General Vernon Chong,  
> USAF, retired.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
> ++++++
>
> "This WAR is for REAL
>
> To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our  
> nation is presently facing the most serious threat to its very  
> existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and  
> mine (which includes WWII).
>
> The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact there are  
> very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even  
> fewer who realize what losing really means.
>
> First, let's examine a few basics:
>
> 1. When did the threat to us start?
>
> Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United  
> States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with  
> the following attacks on us:
>
>  Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;  Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;   
> Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;  Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am  
> flight to New York 1988;  First New York World Trade Center attack  
> 1993;  Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex  
> 1996;  Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;  Dares Salaam, Tanzania US  
> Embassy 1998;  Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;  New York World Trade  
> Center 2001;  Pentagon 2001.
>
> (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581  
> terrorist attacks worldwide).
>
> 2. Why were we attacked?
>
> Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks  
> happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan,  
> Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans  
> or Democrats as there were no provocation's by any of the  
> presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.
>
> 3. Who were the attackers?
>
> In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.
>
> 4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.
>
> 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
>
> Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that  
> the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but  
> under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also  
> Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the  
> administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million  
> Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including  
> 7,000 Polish priests). (see http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm).
>
> Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the  
> Nazis, as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them,  
> and we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities.  
> Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no  
> hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating  
> the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any  
> others.
>
> Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US,  
> but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French  
> or anyone else. The point here is that just like the peaceful  
> Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter  
> how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for  
> us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically  
> bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us  
> "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do  
> if the choice was shut up or die?
>
> 6. So who are we at war with?
>
> There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other  
> than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and  
> avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no  
> way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you  
> are fighting.
>
> So with that background, now to the two major questions:
>
> 1. Can we lose this war?
>
> 2. What does losing really mean?
>
> If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.
>
> We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound,  
> the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not  
> fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean?
>
> It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war  
> means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on  
> about our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the  
> truth as one can get. What losing really means is:
>
> We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks  
> will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they  
> want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet,  
> they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks  
> against us, over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for  
> terrorist to attack us, until we were neutered and submissive to them.
>
> We would of course have no future support from other nations, for  
> fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are  
> impotent and cannot help them.
>
> They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It  
> will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain  
> hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain  
> to withdraw its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim  
> terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops.  
> Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.
>
> The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that  
> they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are  
> finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists  
> without us. However, it may already be too late for France. France  
> is already 20% Muslim and fading fast!
>
> If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life  
> will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or  
> deal with us, if they were threatened by the Muslims.
>
> If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else?
>
> The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore  
> are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it  
> too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.
>
> Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple.  
> Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really  
> put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going  
> to take that 100% effort to win.
>
> So, how can we lose the war?
>
> Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding."  
> That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and  
> their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to  
> the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose.  
> If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!
>
> Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend  
> the life and death seriousness of this situation.
>
> President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
>
> Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men  
> between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow  
> profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously?  
> This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some  
> of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be  
> prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will  
> most certainly lose all of them permanently.
>
> And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of  
> civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the  
> victory and in fact added many more since then.
>
> Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?
>
> No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our  
> Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this  
> conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those  
> words apply to war. Get them out of your head.
>
> Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the  
> Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to  
> see us lose.. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are  
> disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing  
> means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy  
> that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it  
> does great damage to our cause.
>
> Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and  
> media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps  
> exemplifies best what I am saying.
>
> We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few  
> Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police.
>
> These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were  
> throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands,  
> cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people  
> just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.
>
> And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically  
> killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are  
> also the same type enemy fighters, who recently were burning  
> Americans, and dragging their charred corpses through the streets  
> of Iraq.
>
> And still more recently, the same type enemy that was and is  
> providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the  
> beheading of American prisoners they held.
>
> Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for  
> several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the  
> "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not  
> dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading  
> them, but "humiliating" them.
>
> Can this be for real?
>
> The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the  
> Secretary of Defense.
>
> If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and  
> understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the  
> life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of  
> losing this war, nothing can.
>
> To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this  
> prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome  
> burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world.
>
> Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife.
>
> Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or  
> media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely  
> oblivious to the magnitude, of the situation we are in and into  
> which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years.
>
> Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all  
> infidels! That translates into all non-Muslims -- not just in the  
> United States, but throughout the world.
>
> We are the last bastion of defense.
>
> We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That  
> charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we  
> believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win  
> the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both  
> hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!
>
> We can't!
>
> If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not  
> survive, and no other free country in the World will survive if we  
> are defeated.
>
> And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that  
> allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion,  
> freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone  
> everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been  
> productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the  
> world.
>
> This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this  
> war or we will be equated in the history books to the self- 
> inflicted fall of the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders  
> will allow history books to be written or read.
>
> If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the  
> Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will  
> continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue  
> to encroach little by little, on the established French traditions.  
> The French will be fighting among themselves, over what should or  
> should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep  
> them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?
>
> Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some  
> external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,  
> politically correct piece by politically correct piece.
>
> And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,  
> worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or  
> even to themselves, once they are in power.
>
> They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they  
> then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who  
> control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically  
> correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"?
>
> I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we  
> are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the  
> election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the  
> critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country.  
> It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to  
> preserve it.
>
> After reading the above, we all must do this not only for  
> ourselves, but our children, our grandchildren, our country and the  
> world.
>
> Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that  
> includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!
>
> Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it.  
> Our "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too.
>
> There are those that find fault with our country, but it is obvious  
> to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE!"
>
> ....................
> Comment: I thank General Chong for forwarding this most appropriate  
> and timely writing. I certainly concur with the writer on the  
> necessity for standing up and uniting as peace-loving American.  
> This country was founded by our forbears fleeing religious  
> persecution. I do not care what religion anyone in this country  
> chooses to practice as long as it does not advocate the overthrow  
> of our government or the slaughter of people who do not choose to  
> practice a religion that opposes the spread of democracy because of  
> the choice it gives people to live in freedom. The fastest road to  
> peace is to ensure a free world. "Speak softly and carry a BIG stick"
>
>
>
>
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