Then all commentary is welcome into a museum list-serv?
I am increasingly deleting such chat and forage for the few nuggets of art
/museum interest.
Unfortunately I may be foraging more now that I have a little more time on
my hands. (Now there's a topic....the effect of cutbacks and lay offs with
museum collections and programming)
regards
RB
>From: Lee Kinsella <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Museum discussion list <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CLONING FOR STEM CELLS
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:24:39 +1000
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>Has no one had the experience of the beliefs of a director influencing
>policies
>and procedures in their museum or gallery?
>
> How the politics of the government or governing body impact on galleries
>and
>museums is an issue.
>
>I think discussion as to how we deal with various, and often conflicting,
>belief
>systems is very relevant.
>
>Lee
>
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>Laura Hansen <[log in to unmask]> on 28/11/2001 05:09:47 AM
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>Please respond to Museum discussion list <[log in to unmask]>
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>cc: (bcc: Lee Kinsella/AWM)
>
>Subject: Re: CLONING FOR STEM CELLS
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>
>
>
>I have to second that.
>
> >>> [log in to unmask] 11/27/01 01:19PM >>>
>What do this have to do with the museum community or the purpose of this
>listserve?
>
>Casey Connell
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barb Rexroat [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:36 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CLONING FOR STEM CELLS
>
> While you can split an atom, you can not completely separate
>church and state as long as church goers vote and whether you think they
>are right, wrong or zealots, they vote for our government
>representatives who make these difficult decisions. The government
>doesn't always please us, that's for sure. It's very easy for you to
>criticize the president when you are not the one trying to please the
>entire country.
> Furthermore, you will NEVER convince me that an embryo is not
>one of God's children. If scientists want me to believe that because of
>the process of evolution man has not always looked the way he does
>today, why can't I expect scientists to believe that an embryo can be a
>human even if it doesn't look like we do.
> It's very easy for you to say that people who are against
>cloning an embryo are zealots. You don't know me, how can you label me?
>I would argue that scientists can be zealots for their beliefs as well.
>
> Just keep in mind that just because someone disagrees with you
>doesn't mean they are "wrong" any more than you are "right" or "wrong."
>Religious people are not against science. Last time I checked we all
>had a right to our opinion and many of us disagree with embryo cloning.
>That is OK.
> When it's all said and done, if I'm wrong, so what; but if
>scientists who disregard God's will are wrong, they have one hell of a
>price to pay.
> Barb
>At 03:50 PM 11/26/01 -0800, you wrote:
> >. The science community, those interested in the right to choice,
> >those wanting to see humane scientific progress, must restore to the
> >science community the right to make scientific definitions , and not
> >give it to religious fundamentalists. Religions defining scientific
> >organisms or defining anything in the sciences, through law, violates
> >Separation of Church and State.
> > It's based on a religious definition, adopted by the "dead or
> >alive" pro-death penalty President, that "human life (e.g., a baby)
> >begins at conception.
> > A six-cell embryo is hardly a "baby" or a "human being." It's
> >argued that an embryo is "potentially" a human being, therefore "human
> >life."
> > The same "potential" could be claimed for an egg or sperm or a
> >"gleam in the eye." It's literature, or poetry, and all fine, but it's
> >not science. It makes no more sense to claim this for a new embryo,
>than
> >to say a woman's egg is a "baby;" or that a sperm is a "human life."
>The
> >only difference is that intercourse (or another method) fertilized the
> >egg, making it an "embryo." This is the scientific definition of that
> >level of life.
> > That's why science called it an embryo, not a baby: Because it
> >is still scientifically *different* from a sentient, independent human
> >being. That is, until the religious right browbeat the defining of
> >scientific terms into law along its own biases.
> > Hypocrisy enters the fray when we hear Bush and others say,
> >"it's wrong to kill one innocent human being even if to save others
>from
> >an evil disease." This, from the people who tell us we must accept
> >"collateral killing" of innocent people in the greater good of stopping
> >evil.
> > The issue to re-fight now is again for Separation of Church
>and
> >State, of Church and public, of Church and Science.
> > It's one thing to resist cloning human beings (or placing a
> >cloned embryo into a womb). This is not proposed.
> > The whole procedure takes place using one's own genetic
> >material, altered and returned, to heal a sick organ, spine, etc., and
> >should be a right of "choice" in the control of one's own body.
> > The only "ethic" here lies in the power struggle of zealots
> >further dictating to the state and to science.
> >Bob Fink
> >
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