I paid about 2,000 a semester. That is not astronomical, that is a wise choice. I guess I could have paid to go to GWU or somewhere, but why do that when I had quality state university programs. Are you trying to say that before fifteen years ago you could do anything with just a BA in History? I don't think that is the case. We are pursing an academic field, school is a part of that. You can't learn what you need to know in just four years, it is a life long process that involves both job experience, networking, and education.
I think the key is once again, that there are more "practical" job programs than there used to be. In the past only content degrees were available. So now we have two very different professionals. The older professional who has a strong content background and learned the practical aspects on the job and the younger professional who has studied the organizational material to death and may or may not have a strong content knowledge. We need both of these kinds of people. I refuse to be so negative to think that colleges and universities are merely money hungry beasts, they have provided ALL OF US, with invaluable knowledge and experience. (If yours didn't, you went to the wrong institution)
Rebecca R. Born
Heritage Education Coordinator
Georgia Trust For Historic Preservation
1516 Peachtree St., NW
Atlanta, GA 30309
404 885 7819
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it's not at all meant as negativity. if this is going to be tossed around
the facts must also be acknowledged. schools for the past 15 years or so,
the same period of astronomical increases in tuition, continually have
pushed the issue of getting multiple degrees.
why do you think that is so? because they like you?
think for a moment. the level of debt of far too many students in well into
the stratosphere because of not getting what they thought they would from
this field.
it's simply reality.
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From: "Rebecca Born" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MUSEUM-L] Glut of graduates
Geez, so much negativity. I see people unhappy with their life choices and
people acting like the younger crowd is arrogant and self serving. Let me
tell you, I was never, ever, under the impression that I was going to be
wealthy doing this. Does anyone?
If for some reason people think that they are going to be rich, well they
are either blind or really ambitious, because of course there are some
people making a lot of money. For the most part, we do this because we love
it. I don't hold any animosity against my school. I went to a public
university and I am sure my tuition did not begin to cover the salaries of
the professors and all the extras I received. C'mon guys, we all love what
we do, and if you don't love it, you should get into something else! So pick
on the interns, they love what you love, don't pick on the schools, they are
trying to help. Just do your best and in the end it will work out.
Rebecca R. Born
Heritage Education Coordinator
Georgia Trust For Historic Preservation
1516 Peachtree St., NW
Atlanta, GA 30309
404 885 7819
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you kinow who makes the real money from these programs?
THE SCHOOLS
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [MUSEUM-L] Glut of graduates
> What is the "best" way to improve one's job
> possibilities? Extensive volunteer experience? A
> wider range of degrees?
> (I'm currently completing an MA in my subject, and
> have pondered the idea of an MLS, or an MA in Museum
> Studies, or Public History, or Historic Preservation,
> or something. Would something of this nature help
> provide more/different job oppotunities, or just
> provide more debt?)
>
> Thanks for the great discussion on this subject!
> Kaia
>
> --- Deborah Barlow Smedstad <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> "In addition to lower than expected salaries, I've
>> also known graduate
>> students who didn't think they had to have any
>> experience to get a job.
>> In
>> fact, they expected upon graduation to walk right
>> into a director's job
>> because they have a master's degree in museum
>> studies. And the few that
>> did
>> "luck into" such a job ended up leaving the field
>> within a year, because
>>
>> reality didn't match classroom teachings."
>>
>>
>> I've never responded to a post on this list, but
>> this one caught my eye.
>>
>> In my experience of the last ten years, I have come
>> to the conclusion
>> that this is what I call "Gen X arrogance" is a
>> generational thing. I
>> encountered the very same thing with several recent
>> MLS graduates in
>> that age group. I had several 'interns' who thought
>> they should be able
>> to step right into a museum or art library director
>> position right out
>> of graduate school. Needless to say, this didn't
>> sit too well with
>> those of us in the baby boomer generation who worked
>> for paltry salaries
>> for 10 years or more before getting that coveted yet
>> still low-paying
>> head position. I had one intern about ten years ago
>> tell me that he
>> wasn't happy with his starting salary of $36,500
>> annually for a two-year
>> internship he was taking. The rest of us raised our
>> eyebrows and
>> concluded that he was in for a rude awakening down
>> the line.
>>
>> I don't gripe that much about my salary since "I" am
>> the only one
>> responsible for it. I didn't go into the field with
>> blinders on. I
>> 'did' choose to get my MLS after my MA and it was
>> the best decision for
>> me. I figured out the 'reality' of the jobs in the
>> museum field and
>> walked across the park to apply for that MLS.
>>
>> I tell people interested in the art library field
>> that the current
>> demographics are actually in their favor since many
>> library directors
>> will retire in the next 5-10 years. There has in
>> fact been turnover
>> that did not exist in 1985 when I was trying to get
>> my foot in the door.
>>
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>> Deborah Barlow Smedstad
>> Head Librarian
>> William Morris Hunt Memorial Library
>> Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
>> 465 Huntington Avenue
>> Boston, MA 02115
>> [log in to unmask]
>> (617)369-3107
>>
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