Much of what has been said about the US situation is also true about the UK. There is a recent report about salaries in UK museums on the Museums Association web site.
(http://www.museumsassociation.org/asset_arena/text/04/policy_salarysurvey2004.pdf)
If you are a national of any of the 25 European Union countries or the European Economic Area countries you don't need a work permit. If a work permit is required then the employer needs to be able to show that they have not been able to find a suitable applicant from within the EEA/EU (this means that you need to be the only suitable person who applied for the job not merely the most suitable person)
The work permit web site is
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/homepage/work_permits.html
Trevor Reynolds
Collections Registrar, English Heritage, Room 530, 23 Savile Row, London W1S 2ET, United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 20 7973 3482 Fax: +44 (0) 20 7973 3209
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Julia Watts
> Sent: 16 May 2004 19:50
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Museum studies degree
>
> After following the thread on the the lack of employment opportunities for
> MA grads, I am now disheartened about my potential application to an MA
> Art
> History/Museum Studies programme in the UK. Do the readers have any input
> on
> if the UK job market is as bleak as the US one. I am English but currently
> living in the US and this was going to be a new vocation for me.
> Sincerely,
> Julia
>
>
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> >
> >Topics of the day:
> >
> > 1. biased question about museum guards (2)
> > 2. entry level positions -- when moving's not an option (2)
> > 3. trying to get back into museum work after graduating with PhD (2)
> > 4. tips given to security guards and other staff (5)
> > 5. Call for papers/presentations
> > 6. Survey of Teachers' use of the Web (3)
> > 7. Comment on Museum Employment--an Unscientific Study
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:47:25 +0200
> >From: CulPropProtNet/MusSecNetwork <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: biased question about museum guards
> >
> >On 14 May 2004 at 8:20, Sue Bodemer wrote:
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > What do ya'll tell your staff (especially security guards) about tips?
> >Have
> > > they been offered to them by visitors? Are they allowed to accept
> them?
> > > What if the visitor INSISTS?
> >
> >Dear Sue Bodemer,
> >
> >Interesting question, even though I really do not like the
> >'especially security guards' specification. How about curators and
> >museum directors with their dinner parties, business trips all over
> >the world, free catalogues and books, gifts by artists, and their
> >pleasant annual income ... ?
> >
> >Start paying your guards a proper salary, put up a sign 'no tips' at
> >the entrance, and especially at the cloak room of your museum, and
> >this question will become obsolete.
> >
> >Why not develop a 'no tips' policy in your museum without sending
> >this prejudiced suggestion about your guards on Museum-L for the
> >global museum community to read?
> >
> >
> >Ton Cremers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:56:14 -0700
> >From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: entry level positions -- when moving's not an option
> >
> >--- "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > And I will never forget how to spell grammar again. (I used to mess up
> > > "calendar" also until a resume edit a couple of years ago) :)
> >
> >Don't feel bad. I had my elementary school students correct my spelling
> >when I
> >student taught. :)
> >
> >Deb
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 04:00:38 -0700
> >From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: biased question about museum guards
> >
> >--- CulPropProtNet/MusSecNetwork <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Start paying your guards a proper salary, put up a sign 'no tips' at
> > > the entrance, and especially at the cloak room of your museum, and
> > > this question will become obsolete.
> > >
> > > Why not develop a 'no tips' policy in your museum without sending
> > > this prejudiced suggestion about your guards on Museum-L for the
> > > global museum community to read?
> >
> >I don't think it's the guards' fault for accepting tips. Some people,
> >espeically in the older generation, think it's rude not to tip. It's part
> >of
> >how they were brought up just like always wearing a hat and gloves when
> you
> >go
> >out or holding the door for ladies.
> >
> >Instead, I would put a sign up saying "all tips will be donated to the
> >museum
> >or building fund, or education program, or whatnot." That way if people
> >insist
> >on tipping, your staff can accept it graciously and know what to do with
> >the
> >money. You might start getting more donations that way too.
> >
> >Deb
> >
> >
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:41:14 -0400
> >From: Loretta Lorance <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: trying to get back into museum work after graduating with
> PhD
> >
> >I've been following the entry level discussion and decided to ask for
> >advice about my situation. I'm an architectural historian with a new PhD
> in
> >art history. While taking classes I worked in a museum in different
> >departments and for a private collector. However, I was, like many
> graduate
> >students, nudged toward teaching. I have volunteered a bit at museums,
> but
> >not regularly, more as time and other commitments have permitted.
> >
> >As I was completing my degree there were a couple of jobs that interested
> >me, director of historic house, education director, registrar (although
> I'm
> >a bit rusty on this, not up to date on computer programs but am a quick
> >learner) and usually I didn't even get an acknowledgement of my
> >application. I felt that the people on the receiving end might have been
> >bothered, perhaps intimidated, by the level of my education. It doesn't
> >bother nor impress me to have a PhD, it's something I wanted and
> >accomplished and am now ready to move to the next stage of my live.
> >Furthermore, I'm not a snooty person (I don't expect to be called Dr.). I
> >don't want an entry level position and don't mind volunteering if I have
> a
> >source of income.
> >
> >I've applied for a couple of teaching positions and would also considered
> >applying for museum work in education, curator, director, administrator,
> >registrar, etc. Given the job market both in higher education and
> museums,
> >can anyone offer advice about how to apply or get an interview with the
> PhD
> >red flag. I guess I don't have to put it on my business resume, unlike
> the
> >resume I use to apply for teaching jobs. Thanks for any advice.
> >
> >Loretta Lorance, PhD
> >[log in to unmask]
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> >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:19:18 -0600
> >From: Timothy McShane <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >I've never been at a place with a formal policy, but whenever I've been
> >offered a tip, I've taken it with the grace with which it was offered,
> >then deposited it into the museum's donation box.
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------
> >Tim McShane, Assistant--Cultural History
> >Medicine Hat Museum and Art Gallery
> >1302 Bomford Crescent S.W.
> >Medicine Hat, AB T1A 5E6
> >(403) 502-8587
> >[log in to unmask]
> >
> > >>> [log in to unmask] 5/14/2004 6:20:05 AM >>>
> >Hi!
> >
> >What do ya'll tell your staff (especially security guards) about tips?
> >Have
> >they been offered to them by visitors? Are they allowed to accept
> >them?
> >What if the visitor INSISTS?
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
> >
> >Sue Bodemer
> >Operations Manager
> >Rockwell Museum of Western Art
> >111 Cedar St.
> >Corning, NY 14830
> >607-937-5386 (museum main number)
> >607-974-4162 (direct line)
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> >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:13:00 -0400
> >From: beverlye hancock <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Call for papers/presentations
> >
> >The Society for Applied Anthropology's 2005 annual meeting is in Santa
> >Fe, April 6-10. We are hoping to create several session based on
> >cooperative projects between applied anthropologists and museums. If
> >you have or are participating in such a projectl please submit an
> >individual presentatiion abstract for a session OR organize a session of
> >presentations, do a poster presentation or put together a roundtable
> >discussion. Projects can be social, medical/health, environmental,
> >economic, etc. We are looking for innovative ways museums and
> >anthropologists can work together.
> >
> >Deadline for submissions is October 1, 2004. Please send submissions or
> >request more information from me [log in to unmask] or Jeanne Simonelli,
> >anthropology chair [log in to unmask] Remember too, Santa Fe is a great
> >place to be n the spring! Please participate.
> >
> >Beverlye Hancock, Curator
> >Museum of Anthropology/Wake Forest University
> >P.O. Box 7267
> >Winston-Salem, NC 27109
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> >Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:18:37 -0400
> >From: Jennifer Lonergan <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >Hi Eric,
> >
> >I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the survey--we're
> >currently looking at ways of making the website more relevant to the
> >curriculum, more educational, etc.=20
> >Thanks!=20
> >Jennifer Lonergan
> >Planificatrice en interpr=E9tation - Interpretive Planner=20
> >Mus=E9e canadien des civilisations - Canadian Museum of Civilization
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> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Eric Siegel [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:39 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >
> >The New York Hall of Science and Altered Image have completed a survey
> >of teachers' use of the WWW to support museum visits. The survey had
> >over 1200 respondants who answered 23 questions related to their use of
> >the WWW for teaching in general, and specifically as a part of an
> >informal education experience. A report analyzing the results of this
> >survey is now available.
> >
> >We were able to persuade the NYC Department of Education to distribute
> >the survey through their in-house email system, which resulted in well
> >over a 1000 responses from NYC public school educators.
> >
> >As far as I know, this is the largest such survey, and we will be glad
> >to email it to anyone who would like a copy.
> >
> >Special thanks are due to the National Science Foundation's Informal
> >Science Education program for their support, and to Altered Image
> >designing the survey and working hard to reach so many teachers.
> >
> >Eric Siegel
> >Director of Planning
> > & Program Development
> >Connections Project Director
> >New York Hall of Science
> >47-01 111th Street
> >Queens, NY 11368
> >[log in to unmask]
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:20:23 EDT
> >From: "David E. Haberstich" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: entry level positions -- when moving's not an option
> >
> >In a message dated 5/14/2004 11:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> ><< I feared I would do such a thing. I now hang my head in shame. E-mail
> is
> > set to automatic spell check now...
> >
> > And I will never forget how to spell grammar again. (I used to mess up
> > "calendar" also until a resume edit a couple of years ago) :) >>
> >
> >Dear Elizabeth,
> >
> >Thank you. You are very gracious--and good-humored.
> >
> >BTW, spell-checkers don't solve everything. In today's Washington Post I
> >noted a remark that someone was "pouring" over some papers. No, I didn't
> >bother
> >to write a correction!
> >
> >David Haberstich
> >(Who just misspelled his own name and had to go back to correct it;
> sooner
> >or
> >later I'm sure I'm going to miss it.)
> >
> >David Haberstich
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:48:28 EDT
> >From: "David E. Haberstich" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >Although I think a publicized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that
> >anyone receiving a tip should be encouraged to pass it along to the
> museum,
> >I agree
> >with the one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard
> or
> >other employee accepting a tip personally.
> >
> >I think if I wrote a policy on tipping, I would say: (a) actively
> >soliciting
> >tips is forbidden and could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a
> >"surprise"
> >tip, tell the tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a
> general
> >fund; (c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally
> >(remembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks
> >and report
> >it on your income tax!
> >
> >I would be interested in seeing any argument about why a museum employee
> >should not accept a tip if the tipper insists.
> >
> >Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gave me a $5 bill after I agreed
> to
> >expedite his photo order. I've always felt vaguely guilty about this,
> >especially since I forgot to report it on my taxes (please don't report
> me
> >to the IRS).
> > I am now considering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the
> >donations box at the museum entrance.
> >
> >On perhaps three occasions, I've received small gifts from professional
> >colleagues. One was from a Japanese man who had a whole bag of similar
> >gifts
> >(wrapped) to distribute to museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it
> >would be
> >culturally injudicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such
> >gifts.
> >
> >David Haberstich
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:25:42 -0700
> >From: "R. Morrison" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >please, please get me off of this list--I have followed directions--and
> >still can't get off. How hard should this be?
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jennifer Lonergan" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >
> >Hi Eric,
> >
> >I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the survey--we're
> >currently looking at ways of making the website more relevant to the
> >curriculum, more educational, etc.
> >Thanks!
> >Jennifer Lonergan
> >Planificatrice en interprétation - Interpretive Planner
> >Musée canadien des civilisations - Canadian Museum of Civilization
> >C.P. 3100, succ. B - P.O. Box 3100, Stn. B
> > Hull, Québec J8X 4H2
> >Canada
> >(819) 776-8406
> >[log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Eric Siegel [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:39 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >
> >The New York Hall of Science and Altered Image have completed a survey
> >of teachers' use of the WWW to support museum visits. The survey had
> >over 1200 respondants who answered 23 questions related to their use of
> >the WWW for teaching in general, and specifically as a part of an
> >informal education experience. A report analyzing the results of this
> >survey is now available.
> >
> >We were able to persuade the NYC Department of Education to distribute
> >the survey through their in-house email system, which resulted in well
> >over a 1000 responses from NYC public school educators.
> >
> >As far as I know, this is the largest such survey, and we will be glad
> >to email it to anyone who would like a copy.
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:53:33 -0500
> >From: Ware Petznick <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
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> >
> >
> >Although I am not currently working for a museum - though I hope that
> thi=
> >s will change soon - I am working as a temp for Muscular Dystrophy as
> the=
> >ir Auction Coordinator. In soliciting gifts for the MDA's Black and Blue
> =
> >Ball coming up June 5th, I targeted Grey Goose vodka because I saw their
> =
> >ad in Boston Magazine. Being positive about their product was not merely
> =
> >a matter of salesmanship, because I do personally love Grey Goose vodka
> a=
> >nd agree that it is the best tasting. The Sales and Marketing Director
> wh=
> >o responded to my request for a donation was impressed by my enthusiasm
> a=
> >nd agreed to donate a magnum bottle to the auction... and said that she
> w=
> >anted to send a t-shirt to me personally. I thanked her but felt a
> little=
> > uncomfortable in personally benefiting from my position. I asked my
> supe=
> >rvisor if I could accept the Grey Goose gift and she replied that they
> ha=
> >d plenty of t-shirts and encouraged me to take it away out of the office!
> >
> >So, in this case, I think that I have not crossed any boundaries. I
> would=
> > welcome any arguments to the contrary!
> >
> >Still hopeful to find a permanent museum role!
> >Ware
> >
> >www.geocities.com/staforlife/museumresume.html
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: David E. Haberstich
> >Sent: 15 May 2004 14:02
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >Although I think a publicized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that
> >anyone receiving a tip should be encouraged to pass it along to the
> museu=
> >m, I agree
> >with the one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard
> o=
> >r
> >other employee accepting a tip personally.
> >
> >I think if I wrote a policy on tipping, I would say: (a) actively
> solicit=
> >ing
> >tips is forbidden and could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a
> "surpri=
> >se"
> >tip, tell the tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a
> gener=
> >al
> >fund; (c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally
> >(remembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks
> =
> >and report
> >it on your income tax!
> >
> >I would be interested in seeing any argument about why a museum employee
> >should not accept a tip if the tipper insists.
> >
> >Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gave me a $5 bill after I agreed
> t=
> >o
> >expedite his photo order. I've always felt vaguely guilty about this,
> >especially since I forgot to report it on my taxes (please don't report
> m=
> >e to the IRS).
> >I am now considering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the
> >donations box at the museum entrance.
> >
> >On perhaps three occasions, I've received small gifts from professional
> >colleagues. One was from a Japanese man who had a whole bag of similar
> g=
> >ifts
> >(wrapped) to distribute to museum staff who helped him out, and I felt
> it=
> > would be
> >culturally injudicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such
> gif=
> >ts.
> >
> >David Haberstich
> >
> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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> ><HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV> </DIV>
> <=
> >DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Although I am not currently working for a museum -
> =
> >though I hope that this will change soon - I am working as a temp for
> Mus=
> >cular Dystrophy as their Auction Coordinator. In soliciting gifts for
> the=
> > MDA's Black and Blue Ball coming up June 5th, I targeted Grey Goose
> vodk=
> >a because I saw their ad in Boston Magazine. Being positive about their
> p=
> >roduct was not merely a matter of salesmanship, because I do personally
> l=
> >ove Grey Goose vodka and agree that it is the best tasting. The Sales
> and=
> > Marketing Director who responded to my request for a donation was
> impres=
> >sed by my enthusiasm and agreed to donate a magnum bottle to the
> auction.=
> >. and said that she wanted to send a t-shirt to me personally. I thanked=
> > her but felt a little uncomfortable in personally benefiting from my
> pos=
> >ition. I asked my supervisor if I could accept the Grey Goose gift and
> sh=
> >e replied that they had plenty of t-shirts and encouraged me to take it
> a=
> >way out of the office!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, in this case, I
> t=
> >hink that I have not crossed any boundaries. I would welcome any
> argument=
> >s to the contrary!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still hopeful to find a
> p=
> >ermanent museum role!</DIV> <DIV>Ware</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A
> hre=
> >f=3D"http://www.geocities.com/staforlife/museumresume.html">www.geocities
> =
> >com/staforlife/museumresume.html</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=
> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
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> >ial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND:
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> >; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> David E. Haberstich</DIV>
> =
> ><DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> 15 May 2004 14:02</DIV>
> <DIV=
> > style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> MUSEUM-
> [log in to unmask]</DIV>=
> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: tips given to
> securi=
> >ty guards and other staff</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Although I think a
> publi=
> >cized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that<BR>anyone receiving a
> tip=
> > should be encouraged to pass it along to the museum, I agree<BR>with
> the=
> > one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard
> or<BR>oth=
> >er employee accepting a tip personally.<BR><BR>I think if I wrote a
> polic=
> >y on tipping, I would say: (a) actively soliciting<BR>tips is forbidden
> a=
> >nd could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a "surprise"<BR>tip, tell
> th=
> >e tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a general<BR>fund;
> =
> >(c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip
> personally<BR>(r=
> >emembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks
> an=
> >d report<BR>it on your income tax!<BR><BR>I would be interested in
> seeing=
> > any argument about why a museum employee<BR>should not accept a tip if
> t=
> >he tipper insists.<BR><BR>Full disclosure: Many years ago a man
> gav=
> >e me a $5 bill after I agreed to<BR>expedite his photo order. I've
> =
> >always felt vaguely guilty about this,<BR>especially since I forgot to
> re=
> >port it on my taxes (please don't report me to the IRS).<BR>I am now
> cons=
> >idering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the<BR>donations box
> =
> >at the museum entrance.<BR><BR>On perhaps three occasions, I've received
> =
> >small gifts from professional<BR>colleagues. One was from a
> Japanes=
> >e man who had a whole bag of similar gifts<BR>(wrapped) to distribute to
> =
> >museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it would be<BR>culturally
> inj=
> >udicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such
> gifts.<BR><B=
> >R>David
> Haberstich<BR><BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> >
> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:55:46 -0700
> >From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >Welcome to the Hotel California . . . you can check
> >out any time you want, but you can never leave
> >(smile).
> >
> >Here. This method has always proven more effective
> >for me when I have needed to leave while on vacation
> >(I'll never read all the catch-up mail, so it's just
> >easier for me this way).
> >
> >Go to the archives. Everybody should save this link,
> >I think. You can sign out (or back in) there.
> >
> >http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/museum-l.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- "R. Morrison" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > please, please get me off of this list--I have
> > > followed directions--and
> > > still can't get off. How hard should this be?
> > >
> >
> >=====
> >Indigo Nights
> >[log in to unmask]
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> >Looking for a Job? Try Got Links?, Your One-Stop Portal
> >http://victorian.fortunecity.com/stanmer/414
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> >
> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:34 -0700
> >From: Adrienne DeAngelis <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: trying to get back into museum work after graduating with
> PhD
> >
> > The motto of my "resources" site (from an older and obviously
> >embittered prof) works well here : "You might as well apply for
> everything
> >because who gets what is totally arbitrary..."
> >At the very least hiring decisions are often not logical.
> >
> >
> > Adrienne DeAngelis, Editoress
> > RESOURCES IN ART HISTORY FOR GRADUATE STUDENTS
> > (http://members.efn.org/~acd/resources.html)
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:10:02 -0700
> >From: "Katherine H. Child" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >Talk about gifts! We recently had our Japanese Friendship Doll restored
> by
> >the Japanese company that originally made most of the dolls (late 1920s).
> >When the doll was returned to us, she came along with two "sister" dolls
> >(made in honor of our doll's "visit" home) that were specifically for me
> >and
> >our Director of Education. Neither of us felt comfortable about accepting
> >the dolls, so they are currently in our collections storage along with
> the
> >Friendship Doll accessories. We don't really know what to do with them.
> >These dolls are worth several hundred dollars apiece.
> >
> >Katherine Child Jonelis
> >Curator
> >Phoenix Museum of History
> >105 N. 5th Street
> >Phoenix, AZ 85004
> >Phone: 602-253-2734 ext. 228
> >Fax: 602-253-2348
> >[log in to unmask]
> >
> >For more information about the Phoenix Museum of History and its
> programs,
> >please click here:
> > www.pmoh.org
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:29:06 -0700
> >From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Comment on Museum Employment--an Unscientific Study
> >
> >Those of you who have been here a while will recall
> >that I run four daily MuseNews listservs. I simply
> >provide information that I've culled from "out there,"
> >and it is not the newsletter than Roger provides. The
> >lists are small, but fairly steady.
> >
> >They are:
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-Art
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-General
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-History
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-Science
> >
> >I think there's an interesting tie between the number
> >of participants, the number of articles available, and
> >the relationship to why so many have a hard time
> >finding jobs.
> >
> >First membership today, including bounces, is as
> >follows:
> >
> >Art 88
> >General 36
> >History 74
> >Science 25
> >
> >While membership has been higher and lower, it's
> >fairly consistent of late.
> >
> >Now, where are the news articles in order of priority?
> >
> >History
> >Science
> >General
> >Art
> >
> >I think that, if these lists represent the bias in the
> >job market, more of you are trying to find jobs in art
> >than in history, and far, far, too few of you are
> >looking for jobs in the sciences. I do get lots of
> >news for general (zoos, botanical gardens, arboretums,
> >libraries, children's museums, state parks, aquaria,
> >etc.), and yet I don't see many candidates here who
> >are looking for those opportunities.
> >
> >I am absolutely stunned that so few put an emphasis on
> >the sciences. It never ceases to amaze me just how
> >few are interested there when there is so much that is
> >consistently being discovered. Just the news having
> >to do with planetaria and observatories alone--in my
> >biased mind--is enough to make one curious.
> >
> >Much of what I publish comes to me daily through the
> >http://news.google.com alerts I've established
> >(including galleries, archaeology, and anthropology in
> >addition to the topics abve). That has turned out to
> >be a tremendous--free--resource with worldwide info at
> >one's fingertips.
> >
> >As I write this, when we have discussed the concept of
> >transferrable job skills, have all you art majors out
> >there given thought to possibly altering your emphasis
> >or trying in another museum market other than the one
> >in which you had originally hoped to gain employment?
> >It would seem to me that many of the core skills would
> >be transferrable, and you might be able to curate an
> >exhibit in such a way that the beauty of science could
> >be clearly demonstrated.
> >
> >Some of these thoughts could clearly be my own bias.
> >I've always loved science. Required to take one to
> >graduate, I took two, and I wanted to take a dozen
> >except that--when you go to school at night--these
> >classes frequently just aren't available.
> >
> >With the internet, however, the world is your
> >classroom, and there is great info at your fingertips
> >such that a candidate who had dedicated him/herself to
> >art could readily do some catch-up. After all, you've
> >already acquired the most transferrable job skill of
> >all--the art of learning.
> >
> >Just a thought.
> >
> >P.S. To the person who got their PhD and said they
> >were applying for jobs as directors--the one
> >overwhelming thought that popped in my head is that,
> >unless I am interpreting what you have offered
> >incorrectly, no matter how educated you are, you do
> >not start at the top, and applying for director is
> >probably not going to be as readily fruitful. You
> >have to crawl before you can walk, and you may have to
> >apply for "a lesser" position until you can get some
> >experience under your belt. That may mean working for
> >less money.
> >
> >There are risks there. If you start in one
> >institution and accept less, they may think it's ok to
> >pay you less in the next position there. You may have
> >to jump institutions once you get the required
> >experience in order to get the pay.
> >
> >P.S.S. Hey, David H. Spell checkers aren't going to
> >catch the bane of my existence--homonyms. I have done
> >a couple of "their" when I meant "there" and do a
> >major arggggghhhh behind the scenes.
> >
> >
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> >[log in to unmask]
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:59:41 -0400
> >From: Nicholas Burlakoff <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >The reason that tips and gifts should not be given to, or accepted by,
> >employees as individuals fall into the following categories:
> >1) Customary practices. Museums are not restaurants or taxicabs and
> >employees do not provide an individual service in expectation of a tip.
> >2) There can be serious ethical questions raised by accepting gifts that
> >are
> >related to the museum's collection. Thomas Hoving relates one experience
> >where a bribe was solicited by a foreign museum head in the form of a
> >"gift."
> >3) Personnel morale. Folks who are not in a position to benefit will in
> >very
> >short order criticize folks, who are in a position to receive tips. For
> >example, a curator, guard, or docent may be offered a tip but seldom will
> >the janitor or exhibit builder be so rewarded. My experience is that
> folks
> >love to count benefits others receive, that they don't, and then resent
> the
> >recipients. We had an example of this posted on this list. A question was
> >raised about gifts to curators and directors. The people who do not
> receive
> >a benefit also have the tendency to exaggerate the value of the benefit
> >that
> >they don't receive. In museums I have headed, just as there were strict
> >prohibitions for receiving tips, so all gifts given to employees as part
> of
> >their job function, or position at the museum, became the property of the
> >museum. The only exemption to this were trivial gifts such as decals,
> >postcards, brochures, or tee shirts. Books, catalogs, reproductions etc.
> >always belonged to the museum. Additionally, by not allowing personnel to
> >accept individual gifts we helped them from feeling obligated to give
> gifts
> >in return, and the museum does not have to develop a gift fund for
> >reciprocating these courtesies.
> >4) Simplicity. A policy that is pretty much an absolute prohibition is
> easy
> >to understand and difficult to evade. If a policy is instituted that
> calls
> >for interpretation, it is a guarantor that some unforeseen gross
> violation
> >will occur at some point. Then an argument will ensue with all sorts of
> >intellectual trickery and rationalizations and bad feelings, in the end,
> on
> >both sides. When people know: no tips and no gifts, life is simplified
> in
> >this area immeasurably. Enforcement of discipline is also simplified, in
> >most instances.
> >The reason that I was particularly careful and adamant in this area when
> I
> >headed a maritime museum is that the Coast Guard interprets the receipt
> of
> >even one cigarette as "payment." So if anyone accepted a gift in our
> museum
> >and then were given a ride on our ship they would, according to the
> >Coasties, become "fare paying passengers" undermining our Coast Guard
> >classification and inviting legal sanctions at worst, and insurance
> >problems
> >at the least. I can't adequately describe the joy of spending one
> >blistering-hot August afternoon in a cabin of a 17th century vessel
> arguing
> >with a Coast Guard Commodore about a party of dignitaries that we were
> >scheduled to take an orientation cruise on our vessel. Trust me, a policy
> >of
> >no gifts or tips makes life much simpler for everyone.
> >Cheers, -Nicholas
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> Behalf
> >Of Katherine H. Child
> >Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:10 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >Talk about gifts! We recently had our Japanese Friendship Doll restored
> by
> >the Japanese company that originally made most of the dolls (late 1920s).
> >When the doll was returned to us, she came along with two "sister" dolls
> >(made in honor of our doll's "visit" home) that were specifically for me
> >and
> >our Director of Education. Neither of us felt comfortable about accepting
> >the dolls, so they are currently in our collections storage along with
> the
> >Friendship Doll accessories. We don't really know what to do with them.
> >These dolls are worth several hundred dollars apiece.
> >
> >Katherine Child Jonelis
> >Curator
> >Phoenix Museum of History
> >105 N. 5th Street
> >Phoenix, AZ 85004
> >Phone: 602-253-2734 ext. 228
> >Fax: 602-253-2348
> >[log in to unmask]
> >
> >For more information about the Phoenix Museum of History and its
> programs,
> >please click here:
> > www.pmoh.org
> >
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