Much of what has been said about the US situation is also true about the UK. There is a recent report about salaries in UK museums on the Museums Association web site. (http://www.museumsassociation.org/asset_arena/text/04/policy_salarysurvey2004.pdf) If you are a national of any of the 25 European Union countries or the European Economic Area countries you don't need a work permit. If a work permit is required then the employer needs to be able to show that they have not been able to find a suitable applicant from within the EEA/EU (this means that you need to be the only suitable person who applied for the job not merely the most suitable person) The work permit web site is http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/homepage/work_permits.html Trevor Reynolds Collections Registrar, English Heritage, Room 530, 23 Savile Row, London W1S 2ET, United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 20 7973 3482 Fax: +44 (0) 20 7973 3209 > -----Original Message----- > From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Julia Watts > Sent: 16 May 2004 19:50 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Museum studies degree > > After following the thread on the the lack of employment opportunities for > MA grads, I am now disheartened about my potential application to an MA > Art > History/Museum Studies programme in the UK. Do the readers have any input > on > if the UK job market is as bleak as the US one. I am English but currently > living in the US and this was going to be a new vocation for me. > Sincerely, > Julia > > > >From: Automatic digest processor <[log in to unmask]> > >Reply-To: Museum discussion list <[log in to unmask]> > >To: Recipients of MUSEUM-L digests <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: MUSEUM-L Digest - 14 May 2004 to 15 May 2004 (#2004-116) > >Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 00:04:27 -0400 > > > >There are 16 messages totalling 1082 lines in this issue. > > > >Topics of the day: > > > > 1. biased question about museum guards (2) > > 2. entry level positions -- when moving's not an option (2) > > 3. trying to get back into museum work after graduating with PhD (2) > > 4. tips given to security guards and other staff (5) > > 5. Call for papers/presentations > > 6. Survey of Teachers' use of the Web (3) > > 7. Comment on Museum Employment--an Unscientific Study > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:47:25 +0200 > >From: CulPropProtNet/MusSecNetwork <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: biased question about museum guards > > > >On 14 May 2004 at 8:20, Sue Bodemer wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > What do ya'll tell your staff (especially security guards) about tips? > >Have > > > they been offered to them by visitors? Are they allowed to accept > them? > > > What if the visitor INSISTS? > > > >Dear Sue Bodemer, > > > >Interesting question, even though I really do not like the > >'especially security guards' specification. How about curators and > >museum directors with their dinner parties, business trips all over > >the world, free catalogues and books, gifts by artists, and their > >pleasant annual income ... ? > > > >Start paying your guards a proper salary, put up a sign 'no tips' at > >the entrance, and especially at the cloak room of your museum, and > >this question will become obsolete. > > > >Why not develop a 'no tips' policy in your museum without sending > >this prejudiced suggestion about your guards on Museum-L for the > >global museum community to read? > > > > > >Ton Cremers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________ > > > >http://www.museum-security.org > >http://www.cpprot.net > >http://www.adviesconsortium.net > > > >All our outgoing mails are checked for viruses. > >________________________ > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:56:14 -0700 > >From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: entry level positions -- when moving's not an option > > > >--- "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > And I will never forget how to spell grammar again. (I used to mess up > > > "calendar" also until a resume edit a couple of years ago) :) > > > >Don't feel bad. I had my elementary school students correct my spelling > >when I > >student taught. :) > > > >Deb > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > >http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 04:00:38 -0700 > >From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: biased question about museum guards > > > >--- CulPropProtNet/MusSecNetwork <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > Start paying your guards a proper salary, put up a sign 'no tips' at > > > the entrance, and especially at the cloak room of your museum, and > > > this question will become obsolete. > > > > > > Why not develop a 'no tips' policy in your museum without sending > > > this prejudiced suggestion about your guards on Museum-L for the > > > global museum community to read? > > > >I don't think it's the guards' fault for accepting tips. Some people, > >espeically in the older generation, think it's rude not to tip. It's part > >of > >how they were brought up just like always wearing a hat and gloves when > you > >go > >out or holding the door for ladies. > > > >Instead, I would put a sign up saying "all tips will be donated to the > >museum > >or building fund, or education program, or whatnot." That way if people > >insist > >on tipping, your staff can accept it graciously and know what to do with > >the > >money. You might start getting more donations that way too. > > > >Deb > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > >http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:41:14 -0400 > >From: Loretta Lorance <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: trying to get back into museum work after graduating with > PhD > > > >I've been following the entry level discussion and decided to ask for > >advice about my situation. I'm an architectural historian with a new PhD > in > >art history. While taking classes I worked in a museum in different > >departments and for a private collector. However, I was, like many > graduate > >students, nudged toward teaching. I have volunteered a bit at museums, > but > >not regularly, more as time and other commitments have permitted. > > > >As I was completing my degree there were a couple of jobs that interested > >me, director of historic house, education director, registrar (although > I'm > >a bit rusty on this, not up to date on computer programs but am a quick > >learner) and usually I didn't even get an acknowledgement of my > >application. I felt that the people on the receiving end might have been > >bothered, perhaps intimidated, by the level of my education. It doesn't > >bother nor impress me to have a PhD, it's something I wanted and > >accomplished and am now ready to move to the next stage of my live. > >Furthermore, I'm not a snooty person (I don't expect to be called Dr.). I > >don't want an entry level position and don't mind volunteering if I have > a > >source of income. > > > >I've applied for a couple of teaching positions and would also considered > >applying for museum work in education, curator, director, administrator, > >registrar, etc. Given the job market both in higher education and > museums, > >can anyone offer advice about how to apply or get an interview with the > PhD > >red flag. I guess I don't have to put it on my business resume, unlike > the > >resume I use to apply for teaching jobs. Thanks for any advice. > > > >Loretta Lorance, PhD > >[log in to unmask] > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . 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The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:19:18 -0600 > >From: Timothy McShane <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > > > >I've never been at a place with a formal policy, but whenever I've been > >offered a tip, I've taken it with the grace with which it was offered, > >then deposited it into the museum's donation box. > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >Tim McShane, Assistant--Cultural History > >Medicine Hat Museum and Art Gallery > >1302 Bomford Crescent S.W. > >Medicine Hat, AB T1A 5E6 > >(403) 502-8587 > >[log in to unmask] > > > > >>> [log in to unmask] 5/14/2004 6:20:05 AM >>> > >Hi! > > > >What do ya'll tell your staff (especially security guards) about tips? > >Have > >they been offered to them by visitors? Are they allowed to accept > >them? > >What if the visitor INSISTS? > > > >Thanks for your help. > > > >Sue Bodemer > >Operations Manager > >Rockwell Museum of Western Art > >111 Cedar St. > >Corning, NY 14830 > >607-937-5386 (museum main number) > >607-974-4162 (direct line) > >607-974-4536 (fax) > >[log in to unmask] > >www.rockwellmuseum.org > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message > >to [log in to unmask] . 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The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:13:00 -0400 > >From: beverlye hancock <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Call for papers/presentations > > > >The Society for Applied Anthropology's 2005 annual meeting is in Santa > >Fe, April 6-10. We are hoping to create several session based on > >cooperative projects between applied anthropologists and museums. If > >you have or are participating in such a projectl please submit an > >individual presentatiion abstract for a session OR organize a session of > >presentations, do a poster presentation or put together a roundtable > >discussion. Projects can be social, medical/health, environmental, > >economic, etc. We are looking for innovative ways museums and > >anthropologists can work together. > > > >Deadline for submissions is October 1, 2004. Please send submissions or > >request more information from me [log in to unmask] or Jeanne Simonelli, > >anthropology chair [log in to unmask] Remember too, Santa Fe is a great > >place to be n the spring! Please participate. > > > >Beverlye Hancock, Curator > >Museum of Anthropology/Wake Forest University > >P.O. Box 7267 > >Winston-Salem, NC 27109 > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:18:37 -0400 > >From: Jennifer Lonergan <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > > > >Hi Eric, > > > >I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the survey--we're > >currently looking at ways of making the website more relevant to the > >curriculum, more educational, etc.=20 > >Thanks!=20 > >Jennifer Lonergan > >Planificatrice en interpr=E9tation - Interpretive Planner=20 > >Mus=E9e canadien des civilisations - Canadian Museum of Civilization > >C.P. 3100, succ. B - P.O. Box 3100, Stn. B > > Hull, Qu=E9bec J8X 4H2 > >Canada > >(819) 776-8406 > >[log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Eric Siegel [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > >Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:39 PM > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > > > > > >The New York Hall of Science and Altered Image have completed a survey > >of teachers' use of the WWW to support museum visits. The survey had > >over 1200 respondants who answered 23 questions related to their use of > >the WWW for teaching in general, and specifically as a part of an > >informal education experience. A report analyzing the results of this > >survey is now available. > > > >We were able to persuade the NYC Department of Education to distribute > >the survey through their in-house email system, which resulted in well > >over a 1000 responses from NYC public school educators. > > > >As far as I know, this is the largest such survey, and we will be glad > >to email it to anyone who would like a copy. > > > >Special thanks are due to the National Science Foundation's Informal > >Science Education program for their support, and to Altered Image > >designing the survey and working hard to reach so many teachers. > > > >Eric Siegel > >Director of Planning > > & Program Development > >Connections Project Director > >New York Hall of Science > >47-01 111th Street > >Queens, NY 11368 > >[log in to unmask] > >www.nyscience.org > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail = > >message > >to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read = > >"help" > >(without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message = > >to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read = > >"Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:20:23 EDT > >From: "David E. Haberstich" <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: entry level positions -- when moving's not an option > > > >In a message dated 5/14/2004 11:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >[log in to unmask] writes: > > > ><< I feared I would do such a thing. I now hang my head in shame. E-mail > is > > set to automatic spell check now... > > > > And I will never forget how to spell grammar again. (I used to mess up > > "calendar" also until a resume edit a couple of years ago) :) >> > > > >Dear Elizabeth, > > > >Thank you. You are very gracious--and good-humored. > > > >BTW, spell-checkers don't solve everything. In today's Washington Post I > >noted a remark that someone was "pouring" over some papers. No, I didn't > >bother > >to write a correction! > > > >David Haberstich > >(Who just misspelled his own name and had to go back to correct it; > sooner > >or > >later I'm sure I'm going to miss it.) > > > >David Haberstich > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:48:28 EDT > >From: "David E. Haberstich" <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > > > >Although I think a publicized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that > >anyone receiving a tip should be encouraged to pass it along to the > museum, > >I agree > >with the one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard > or > >other employee accepting a tip personally. > > > >I think if I wrote a policy on tipping, I would say: (a) actively > >soliciting > >tips is forbidden and could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a > >"surprise" > >tip, tell the tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a > general > >fund; (c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally > >(remembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks > >and report > >it on your income tax! > > > >I would be interested in seeing any argument about why a museum employee > >should not accept a tip if the tipper insists. > > > >Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gave me a $5 bill after I agreed > to > >expedite his photo order. I've always felt vaguely guilty about this, > >especially since I forgot to report it on my taxes (please don't report > me > >to the IRS). > > I am now considering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the > >donations box at the museum entrance. > > > >On perhaps three occasions, I've received small gifts from professional > >colleagues. One was from a Japanese man who had a whole bag of similar > >gifts > >(wrapped) to distribute to museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it > >would be > >culturally injudicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such > >gifts. > > > >David Haberstich > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:25:42 -0700 > >From: "R. Morrison" <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > > > >please, please get me off of this list--I have followed directions--and > >still can't get off. How hard should this be? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jennifer Lonergan" <[log in to unmask]> > >To: <[log in to unmask]> > >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:18 AM > >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > > > > > >Hi Eric, > > > >I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the survey--we're > >currently looking at ways of making the website more relevant to the > >curriculum, more educational, etc. > >Thanks! > >Jennifer Lonergan > >Planificatrice en interprétation - Interpretive Planner > >Musée canadien des civilisations - Canadian Museum of Civilization > >C.P. 3100, succ. B - P.O. Box 3100, Stn. B > > Hull, Québec J8X 4H2 > >Canada > >(819) 776-8406 > >[log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Eric Siegel [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > >Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:39 PM > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > > > > > >The New York Hall of Science and Altered Image have completed a survey > >of teachers' use of the WWW to support museum visits. The survey had > >over 1200 respondants who answered 23 questions related to their use of > >the WWW for teaching in general, and specifically as a part of an > >informal education experience. A report analyzing the results of this > >survey is now available. > > > >We were able to persuade the NYC Department of Education to distribute > >the survey through their in-house email system, which resulted in well > >over a 1000 responses from NYC public school educators. > > > >As far as I know, this is the largest such survey, and we will be glad > >to email it to anyone who would like a copy. > > > >Special thanks are due to the National Science Foundation's Informal > >Science Education program for their support, and to Altered Image > >designing the survey and working hard to reach so many teachers. > > > >Eric Siegel > >Director of Planning > > & Program Development > >Connections Project Director > >New York Hall of Science > >47-01 111th Street > >Queens, NY 11368 > >[log in to unmask] > >www.nyscience.org > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message > >to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > >"help" > >(without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message > >to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > >"help" > >(without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:53:33 -0500 > >From: Ware Petznick <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > > > >------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C43A8C.64EB4830 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > >Although I am not currently working for a museum - though I hope that > thi= > >s will change soon - I am working as a temp for Muscular Dystrophy as > the= > >ir Auction Coordinator. In soliciting gifts for the MDA's Black and Blue > = > >Ball coming up June 5th, I targeted Grey Goose vodka because I saw their > = > >ad in Boston Magazine. Being positive about their product was not merely > = > >a matter of salesmanship, because I do personally love Grey Goose vodka > a= > >nd agree that it is the best tasting. The Sales and Marketing Director > wh= > >o responded to my request for a donation was impressed by my enthusiasm > a= > >nd agreed to donate a magnum bottle to the auction... and said that she > w= > >anted to send a t-shirt to me personally. I thanked her but felt a > little= > > uncomfortable in personally benefiting from my position. I asked my > supe= > >rvisor if I could accept the Grey Goose gift and she replied that they > ha= > >d plenty of t-shirts and encouraged me to take it away out of the office! > > > >So, in this case, I think that I have not crossed any boundaries. I > would= > > welcome any arguments to the contrary! > > > >Still hopeful to find a permanent museum role! > >Ware > > > >www.geocities.com/staforlife/museumresume.html > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: David E. Haberstich > >Sent: 15 May 2004 14:02 > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > > > >Although I think a publicized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that > >anyone receiving a tip should be encouraged to pass it along to the > museu= > >m, I agree > >with the one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard > o= > >r > >other employee accepting a tip personally. > > > >I think if I wrote a policy on tipping, I would say: (a) actively > solicit= > >ing > >tips is forbidden and could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a > "surpri= > >se" > >tip, tell the tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a > gener= > >al > >fund; (c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally > >(remembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks > = > >and report > >it on your income tax! > > > >I would be interested in seeing any argument about why a museum employee > >should not accept a tip if the tipper insists. > > > >Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gave me a $5 bill after I agreed > t= > >o > >expedite his photo order. I've always felt vaguely guilty about this, > >especially since I forgot to report it on my taxes (please don't report > m= > >e to the IRS). > >I am now considering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the > >donations box at the museum entrance. > > > >On perhaps three occasions, I've received small gifts from professional > >colleagues. One was from a Japanese man who had a whole bag of similar > g= > >ifts > >(wrapped) to distribute to museum staff who helped him out, and I felt > it= > > would be > >culturally injudicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such > gif= > >ts. > > > >David Haberstich > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l- > = > >faq/ . You may obtain detailed information about the listserv commands > by= > > sending a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The > = > >body of the message should read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message > to= > > [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Sign= > >off Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C43A8C.64EB4830 > >Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > ><HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV> </DIV> > <= > >DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Although I am not currently working for a museum - > = > >though I hope that this will change soon - I am working as a temp for > Mus= > >cular Dystrophy as their Auction Coordinator. In soliciting gifts for > the= > > MDA's Black and Blue Ball coming up June 5th, I targeted Grey Goose > vodk= > >a because I saw their ad in Boston Magazine. Being positive about their > p= > >roduct was not merely a matter of salesmanship, because I do personally > l= > >ove Grey Goose vodka and agree that it is the best tasting. The Sales > and= > > Marketing Director who responded to my request for a donation was > impres= > >sed by my enthusiasm and agreed to donate a magnum bottle to the > auction.= > >. and said that she wanted to send a t-shirt to me personally. I thanked= > > her but felt a little uncomfortable in personally benefiting from my > pos= > >ition. I asked my supervisor if I could accept the Grey Goose gift and > sh= > >e replied that they had plenty of t-shirts and encouraged me to take it > a= > >way out of the office!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, in this case, I > t= > >hink that I have not crossed any boundaries. I would welcome any > argument= > >s to the contrary!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still hopeful to find a > p= > >ermanent museum role!</DIV> <DIV>Ware</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A > hre= > >f=3D"http://www.geocities.com/staforlife/museumresume.html">www.geocities > = > >com/staforlife/museumresume.html</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE= > > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; > BORDER= > >-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt > Ar= > >ial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: > #e4e4e4= > >; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> David E. Haberstich</DIV> > = > ><DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> 15 May 2004 14:02</DIV> > <DIV= > > style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> MUSEUM- > [log in to unmask]</DIV>= > > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: tips given to > securi= > >ty guards and other staff</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Although I think a > publi= > >cized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that<BR>anyone receiving a > tip= > > should be encouraged to pass it along to the museum, I agree<BR>with > the= > > one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard > or<BR>oth= > >er employee accepting a tip personally.<BR><BR>I think if I wrote a > polic= > >y on tipping, I would say: (a) actively soliciting<BR>tips is forbidden > a= > >nd could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a "surprise"<BR>tip, tell > th= > >e tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a general<BR>fund; > = > >(c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip > personally<BR>(r= > >emembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks > an= > >d report<BR>it on your income tax!<BR><BR>I would be interested in > seeing= > > any argument about why a museum employee<BR>should not accept a tip if > t= > >he tipper insists.<BR><BR>Full disclosure: Many years ago a man > gav= > >e me a $5 bill after I agreed to<BR>expedite his photo order. I've > = > >always felt vaguely guilty about this,<BR>especially since I forgot to > re= > >port it on my taxes (please don't report me to the IRS).<BR>I am now > cons= > >idering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the<BR>donations box > = > >at the museum entrance.<BR><BR>On perhaps three occasions, I've received > = > >small gifts from professional<BR>colleagues. One was from a > Japanes= > >e man who had a whole bag of similar gifts<BR>(wrapped) to distribute to > = > >museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it would be<BR>culturally > inj= > >udicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such > gifts.<BR><B= > >R>David > Haberstich<BR><BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D= > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>Important Subscriber > = > >Information:<BR><BR>The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > http://www.finalc= > >hapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed information about the > = > >listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail message to > [log in to unmask] > >ase.lsoft.com . The body of the message should read "help" (without the > q= > >uotes).<BR><BR>If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e- > = > >mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message > sh= > >ould read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the > quotes).<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY= > > ></HTML> > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Important Subscriber Information: > ><p> > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > ><p> > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C43A8C.64EB4830-- > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:55:46 -0700 > >From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web > > > >Welcome to the Hotel California . . . you can check > >out any time you want, but you can never leave > >(smile). > > > >Here. This method has always proven more effective > >for me when I have needed to leave while on vacation > >(I'll never read all the catch-up mail, so it's just > >easier for me this way). > > > >Go to the archives. Everybody should save this link, > >I think. You can sign out (or back in) there. > > > >http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/museum-l.html > > > > > > > > > >--- "R. Morrison" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > please, please get me off of this list--I have > > > followed directions--and > > > still can't get off. How hard should this be? > > > > > > >===== > >Indigo Nights > >[log in to unmask] > > > >Looking for a Job? Try Got Links?, Your One-Stop Portal > >http://victorian.fortunecity.com/stanmer/414 > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:34 -0700 > >From: Adrienne DeAngelis <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: trying to get back into museum work after graduating with > PhD > > > > The motto of my "resources" site (from an older and obviously > >embittered prof) works well here : "You might as well apply for > everything > >because who gets what is totally arbitrary..." > >At the very least hiring decisions are often not logical. > > > > > > Adrienne DeAngelis, Editoress > > RESOURCES IN ART HISTORY FOR GRADUATE STUDENTS > > (http://members.efn.org/~acd/resources.html) > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:10:02 -0700 > >From: "Katherine H. Child" <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > > > >Talk about gifts! We recently had our Japanese Friendship Doll restored > by > >the Japanese company that originally made most of the dolls (late 1920s). > >When the doll was returned to us, she came along with two "sister" dolls > >(made in honor of our doll's "visit" home) that were specifically for me > >and > >our Director of Education. Neither of us felt comfortable about accepting > >the dolls, so they are currently in our collections storage along with > the > >Friendship Doll accessories. We don't really know what to do with them. > >These dolls are worth several hundred dollars apiece. > > > >Katherine Child Jonelis > >Curator > >Phoenix Museum of History > >105 N. 5th Street > >Phoenix, AZ 85004 > >Phone: 602-253-2734 ext. 228 > >Fax: 602-253-2348 > >[log in to unmask] > > > >For more information about the Phoenix Museum of History and its > programs, > >please click here: > > www.pmoh.org > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:29:06 -0700 > >From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Comment on Museum Employment--an Unscientific Study > > > >Those of you who have been here a while will recall > >that I run four daily MuseNews listservs. I simply > >provide information that I've culled from "out there," > >and it is not the newsletter than Roger provides. The > >lists are small, but fairly steady. > > > >They are: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-Art > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-General > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-History > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-Science > > > >I think there's an interesting tie between the number > >of participants, the number of articles available, and > >the relationship to why so many have a hard time > >finding jobs. > > > >First membership today, including bounces, is as > >follows: > > > >Art 88 > >General 36 > >History 74 > >Science 25 > > > >While membership has been higher and lower, it's > >fairly consistent of late. > > > >Now, where are the news articles in order of priority? > > > >History > >Science > >General > >Art > > > >I think that, if these lists represent the bias in the > >job market, more of you are trying to find jobs in art > >than in history, and far, far, too few of you are > >looking for jobs in the sciences. I do get lots of > >news for general (zoos, botanical gardens, arboretums, > >libraries, children's museums, state parks, aquaria, > >etc.), and yet I don't see many candidates here who > >are looking for those opportunities. > > > >I am absolutely stunned that so few put an emphasis on > >the sciences. It never ceases to amaze me just how > >few are interested there when there is so much that is > >consistently being discovered. Just the news having > >to do with planetaria and observatories alone--in my > >biased mind--is enough to make one curious. > > > >Much of what I publish comes to me daily through the > >http://news.google.com alerts I've established > >(including galleries, archaeology, and anthropology in > >addition to the topics abve). That has turned out to > >be a tremendous--free--resource with worldwide info at > >one's fingertips. > > > >As I write this, when we have discussed the concept of > >transferrable job skills, have all you art majors out > >there given thought to possibly altering your emphasis > >or trying in another museum market other than the one > >in which you had originally hoped to gain employment? > >It would seem to me that many of the core skills would > >be transferrable, and you might be able to curate an > >exhibit in such a way that the beauty of science could > >be clearly demonstrated. > > > >Some of these thoughts could clearly be my own bias. > >I've always loved science. Required to take one to > >graduate, I took two, and I wanted to take a dozen > >except that--when you go to school at night--these > >classes frequently just aren't available. > > > >With the internet, however, the world is your > >classroom, and there is great info at your fingertips > >such that a candidate who had dedicated him/herself to > >art could readily do some catch-up. After all, you've > >already acquired the most transferrable job skill of > >all--the art of learning. > > > >Just a thought. > > > >P.S. To the person who got their PhD and said they > >were applying for jobs as directors--the one > >overwhelming thought that popped in my head is that, > >unless I am interpreting what you have offered > >incorrectly, no matter how educated you are, you do > >not start at the top, and applying for director is > >probably not going to be as readily fruitful. You > >have to crawl before you can walk, and you may have to > >apply for "a lesser" position until you can get some > >experience under your belt. That may mean working for > >less money. > > > >There are risks there. If you start in one > >institution and accept less, they may think it's ok to > >pay you less in the next position there. You may have > >to jump institutions once you get the required > >experience in order to get the pay. > > > >P.S.S. Hey, David H. Spell checkers aren't going to > >catch the bane of my existence--homonyms. I have done > >a couple of "their" when I meant "there" and do a > >major arggggghhhh behind the scenes. > > > > > >===== > >Indigo Nights > >[log in to unmask] > > > >Looking for a Job? Try Got Links?, Your One-Stop Portal > >http://victorian.fortunecity.com/stanmer/414 > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should > >read "help" (without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > "Signoff > >Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:59:41 -0400 > >From: Nicholas Burlakoff <[log in to unmask]> > >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > > > >The reason that tips and gifts should not be given to, or accepted by, > >employees as individuals fall into the following categories: > >1) Customary practices. Museums are not restaurants or taxicabs and > >employees do not provide an individual service in expectation of a tip. > >2) There can be serious ethical questions raised by accepting gifts that > >are > >related to the museum's collection. Thomas Hoving relates one experience > >where a bribe was solicited by a foreign museum head in the form of a > >"gift." > >3) Personnel morale. Folks who are not in a position to benefit will in > >very > >short order criticize folks, who are in a position to receive tips. For > >example, a curator, guard, or docent may be offered a tip but seldom will > >the janitor or exhibit builder be so rewarded. My experience is that > folks > >love to count benefits others receive, that they don't, and then resent > the > >recipients. We had an example of this posted on this list. A question was > >raised about gifts to curators and directors. The people who do not > receive > >a benefit also have the tendency to exaggerate the value of the benefit > >that > >they don't receive. In museums I have headed, just as there were strict > >prohibitions for receiving tips, so all gifts given to employees as part > of > >their job function, or position at the museum, became the property of the > >museum. The only exemption to this were trivial gifts such as decals, > >postcards, brochures, or tee shirts. Books, catalogs, reproductions etc. > >always belonged to the museum. Additionally, by not allowing personnel to > >accept individual gifts we helped them from feeling obligated to give > gifts > >in return, and the museum does not have to develop a gift fund for > >reciprocating these courtesies. > >4) Simplicity. A policy that is pretty much an absolute prohibition is > easy > >to understand and difficult to evade. If a policy is instituted that > calls > >for interpretation, it is a guarantor that some unforeseen gross > violation > >will occur at some point. Then an argument will ensue with all sorts of > >intellectual trickery and rationalizations and bad feelings, in the end, > on > >both sides. When people know: no tips and no gifts, life is simplified > in > >this area immeasurably. Enforcement of discipline is also simplified, in > >most instances. > >The reason that I was particularly careful and adamant in this area when > I > >headed a maritime museum is that the Coast Guard interprets the receipt > of > >even one cigarette as "payment." So if anyone accepted a gift in our > museum > >and then were given a ride on our ship they would, according to the > >Coasties, become "fare paying passengers" undermining our Coast Guard > >classification and inviting legal sanctions at worst, and insurance > >problems > >at the least. I can't adequately describe the joy of spending one > >blistering-hot August afternoon in a cabin of a 17th century vessel > arguing > >with a Coast Guard Commodore about a party of dignitaries that we were > >scheduled to take an orientation cruise on our vessel. Trust me, a policy > >of > >no gifts or tips makes life much simpler for everyone. > >Cheers, -Nicholas > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On > Behalf > >Of Katherine H. Child > >Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:10 PM > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff > > > >Talk about gifts! We recently had our Japanese Friendship Doll restored > by > >the Japanese company that originally made most of the dolls (late 1920s). > >When the doll was returned to us, she came along with two "sister" dolls > >(made in honor of our doll's "visit" home) that were specifically for me > >and > >our Director of Education. Neither of us felt comfortable about accepting > >the dolls, so they are currently in our collections storage along with > the > >Friendship Doll accessories. We don't really know what to do with them. > >These dolls are worth several hundred dollars apiece. > > > >Katherine Child Jonelis > >Curator > >Phoenix Museum of History > >105 N. 5th Street > >Phoenix, AZ 85004 > >Phone: 602-253-2734 ext. 228 > >Fax: 602-253-2348 > >[log in to unmask] > > > >For more information about the Phoenix Museum of History and its > programs, > >please click here: > > www.pmoh.org > > > >========================================================= > >Important Subscriber Information: > > > >The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > >http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > >information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > >message > >to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read > >"help" > >(without the quotes). > > > >If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to > >[log in to unmask] . 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