On 26-08-2005 20:47, "Tereza M Scheiner" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Mario,
>
> Patrick and Colette are more than right. Some
> national and international committees already
> have active groups of young museum professionals,
> who are bringing new blood and bright new ideas
> to us 'old' members. This is the case of
> ICOFOM. We do not want to loose our brilliant young members...
Dear Tereza I'm very happy to read what you say. But appear that ICOFOm and
other few committee are like a white mosquito. This on the base of many
other comments I receive. for my personal experience I can confirm this.
Anyway in the ICOM page of International committee there is this text:
" In addition, you also have the right to become a member of as many other
International Committee you wish"
So, this solve any problem there is no worry to loose brilliant young
members if your committee know as to keep them.
But need to give chance to other "young" that are not satisfy of their
actual committee.
Also regarding vote right inside committee, I think that if the problem is
this, as (few) post evidence, why do not try to solve this problem?
ICOM in 2007 assembly can consider to change this rules? As for example in
AAM I think there is no this limitation.
Why there is this rules inside ICOM? At this point there is a chance to can
change this point of view? Just to consider positive and negative aspects,
undependably from "young" group proposal.
>
> Maybe we should consider the officialization of
> the presence of young members in national and
> international committees, with special
> rights.
Is not a problem of right (I have vote right for example but I can't use
this) it is to solve many other problems, to have more consideration etc...
Not need special rights, are not underdevelopment persons that need new
right!!!!
>They may even meet in a specific 'forum'
> at the General Conferences, without loosing their
> membership to the committees of origin.
Funny things is that all this solution and proposal arrive now, after my
original proposal, I'm very glad about this, to shake the situation. But
funny is that everyone now want to do something to find a solution to avoid
loosing their membership.
Why don't do something before (a part the very active committee).
>
> So, the first thing would be to establish what
> ICOM understands as 'young' professionals: those
> who are under 35? 30? 25? Those who are older
> than that and 'young' in the museum
> profession? How young?
We discuss this many times, there is no relation with age (I'm near to 38,
1st december) but regarding vision, philosophy, "think different", new
challenge, a colleague use the definition as "young-adult"
>What about those who are young at heart and will never get 'old'?
It is what we intend.
> The second thing would be to define what would be
> the rights of those members.
Again, NO rights...anarchy ;-)
Joke apart, no need special rights
>Will they all be student members?
They are welcome, we plan conference in university and school to try to
attract more people to the group and to ICOM (if or not the group will be an
ICOM committee).
> This is not a simple question to solve: many
> young professionals are already PhDs, while some
> professionals older than 35 (or 40) will be still
> getting their postgraduate degrees. That will
> vary from country to country, from Region to
> Region, according to local/regional systems of
> education and educational opportunities.
Just answer
>
> This has already been mentioned by other
> colleagues, some weeks ago, as well as the
> difficulty in defining special rights.
And we still work on this themes in the focus YPC list, to avoid to fill the
mother list with brainstorming posts.
> Yet I think we must go on discussing this
> matter. I am entirely in favour of the renovation of ICOM membership!
Tereza we are very happy if you can join the focus discussion list, so we
can talk in deep about different options and after we can inform ICOM list
and Museum L.
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Thanks
Mario Bucolo
>
> Tereza Scheiner
> E. Council
>
>
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>
>
> At 11:54 26/8/2005, you wrote:
>> Mario,
>>
>> To Patrick's opinion, I would like to add that this new international
>> committee would potentially deprive the other International Committees of
>> their young members. This, I think would be a very sad reprecaution.
>>
>> In all this business of young people, one should remember that until very
>> recently, enven graduates students in museum studies were not allowed
>> membership! So with the change in ICOM membership rules, we could expect to
>> see many more young people participating to conferences and other
>> activities.
>>
>> C. Dufresne-Tassé,
>> President CECA
>>
>>
>> Le 25/08/05 06:57, « P Boylan » <[log in to unmask]> a écrit :
>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Mario Bucolo wrote:
>>>
>>> +++++ [CLIP] +++++
>>>
>>>> Last week I meet, informally, in Paris the ICOM General Secretary and we
>>>> talk about this idea. He was happy about
>> this initiative and he want to look
>>>> again to the proposal after a better definition about who will join the
>>>> group, the group goals and strategic plan to achieve the goals.
>>>> He was very clear that the creation of a new
>> International Committees inside
>>>> ICOM it will be difficult (also regarding burocracy) and with long times
>>>> (about Vienna 2007 general assembly).
>>>
>>> =================
>>>
>>> Mario:
>>>
>>> Please remember that if your suggested Group is eventually constituted as
>>> an official ICOM International Committee any "younger" ICOM member joining
>>> it would not be allowed to be a full ("voting") member in any other
>>> International Committee, such as the International Committee for their own
>>> academic or professional specialisation (ICME, Nat Hist, CECA, ICMS or
>>> whatever). (This is clear under the Statutes and Rules of ICOM, which
>>> allow full membership in only one International Committee at a time.)
>>>
>>> I am sure that nobody - least of all the younger members - would want to
>>> cut themselves off from perhaps more senior professional colleagues in
>>> their own specialisation in this way, so some other structure would be
>>> needed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Boylan
>>>
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