Tom, you mentioned the "upper Midwest" as a region. I have heard that my part of the Midwest (Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, and sometimes Kentucky depending on who you talk to) referred to as the "old Midwest." Why is this? (I am a transplant from the Mid-Atlantic region :) ) You probably heard the area described as the "Old Northwest" because the following states constituted the Northwest Territories in 1787 _ Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin. Greg Koos Bloomington IL