Anne, I never said my ideas were popular. I know we don't live in an ideal world either. Many in the university do consider us a frill. However, we serve the mission of the university in an area that few other parts of the university do; community outreach. We serve about 85,000 visitors a year. The majority of that number are not part of any school based program. It is mostly general public. (Unfortunately, a large part IS from laser show. Eeek!) Joe R.