>>Anybody asleep yet? Not at all....I'm glad you posted that response because I knew that there was a difference between usage & transferring copyright, only I didn't know the exact terminology.... Let me give you another example, as a museum photographer. Occasionally--not often--I do freelance work for other museums...okay, all of you out there who are my peers...this is once in a blue moon because I don't relish getting dual-employment permission etc., nor asking permission to do something on my own time with my own gear....(ha, I digress again!)where was I?? Okay, I have shot some things in the past for 2 museums nearby. The way I have worked out my agreements is like this. I charge them a rate that I feel is fair for the job, and I bill them for all materials & processes, and any other expenses incurred. We figure out all the usages & whatever is needed up front & before hand...so no surprises, even if this means getting a "shot list" or having someone tag along. Now, after the job is done, I do hand over all the materials...usually I shoot slides, CTs and b&w, and I'll hand everything over with a an invoice that states that the images are "copyright (my name) and the year" I give them the unlimited rights to whatever we agreed upon, which is usually editorial use, maybe collateral use (printed materials) (a real grab bag of a use too...just about everything a museum would do short of advertising & exhibitry would fall under this), and I ask that a credit line be used upon publication where applicable. I don't get bent out of shape if that doesn't happen, it's nice but you know, I'm just not as fussy about that as some people are... Now, if they wanted to use an image at a later date, for a billboard or something (unlikely), I would expect to be contacted, but honestly I think that people who get into trying to cover every last aspect of use, tend to frighten clients away....most museums & institutions are not rolling in money, looking for a way to rip someone off. If an infringement does occur, it's usually the result of ignorance of copyright law more than anything. You've got to understand though, that in the "outside world" the type of agreement like I just described is frowned upon by a certain segment of the industry...it could be that since I work for a museum, I'm sympathetic to their needs, but there really isn't a whole lot of future income a person could make from probably 99% of the jobs they would get from an institution...you certainly wouldn't want someone making postcards, for example, of your artifacts & selling them on the side...you might get into some grey areas depending upon whether you are a public or private institution, or whether the assignment was shot inside or outside your building/property...but then again, I'm not a lawyer...so with that I must add: Opinions expressed in this message may not represent the policy of my agency. Good luck once again, KT Kent Thompson, Photographer North Carolina Museum of History Email: [log in to unmask] Opinions expressed in this message may not represent the policy of my agency. ========================================================= Important Subscriber Information: The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "help" (without the quotes). If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes).