Maybe he'll weed out all the song lyrics, too....

-----Original Message-----
From: Olivia S. Anastasiadis [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 10:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: filters


I say we give these guys a break until John gets back, up and running
weeding this stuff off for us.  As all you out there have suggested, the
delete key is the best weapon.  It's a lot quicker too and you don't
have
to type an entire message to all of us.  I do it because I type fast;
and
for those stodgies who like proper spelling, I try to get that done too.

O


On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:00:12 +1000 "Millward, Peter"
<[log in to unmask]> writes:
>can someone please advise me if there is a filter I can apply to stop
>getting all the emails from people who wish to sign off the list and
>who it
>seems have been unable to locate the VERY SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS they
>received
>when they joined.
>Peter Millward
>Manager Education & Visitor Services
>Melbourne Museum
>9651 8162
>
>> ----------
>> From:         Matam P. Murthy[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>> Reply To:     Museum discussion list
>> Sent:         Friday, 22 January 1999 10:57 AM
>> To:   [log in to unmask]
>> Subject:      Re: joint ownership of aboriginal artefacts
>>
>> signoff museum-l
>>
>> I want to get off of this list, someone please tell me how.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> YuhangAt 09:51 PM 1/21/99 -0000, you wrote:
>> >I have wondered for some time if there isn't room for another,
>> intermediate,
>> >category of ownership. Given that museums exist to hold objects for
>ever
>> &
>> >thus remove them in some ways from the material(ist) world, it
>ought to
>> be
>> >possible for us to use anotherform of intellectual
>categorisation....
>> >
>> >What I imagine is something that maintains the legal ownership of
>an
>> object
>> >in the museum but also allows for a form of intellectual/moral
>ownership
>> of
>> >the object by representatives of the originating group - much in
>the way
>> as
>> >you could own a painting but the artist still retain copyright over
>the
>> >image.
>> >
>> >In this way the 'home' culture could be acknowledged in any
>literature
>> and
>> >advise on the interpretation and care of the artefacts. The object
>would
>> >then be jointly managed by the museum who wants to store it for
>ever and
>> >interpret it to the public and originating culture who may wish to
>see it
>> >treated respectfully and in accordance with their own values and
>> practices.
>> >
>> >Obviously there might be problems if the two were in contradiction
>(which
>> >reminds me of the Japanese business man who bought some Van Gogh
>flowers
>> and
>> >said he wanted them cremated with him.... but that's another
>story!) -
>> but
>> >could it not be a useful principle to inform practice?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>     "...The question of how, when, and where the indigenous
>> >>     objects were obtained creates a mine-field of both
>> >>     legal and moral dimensions..."
>> >>
>> >>     That was well said, and I agree completely.  The matter
>> >>     DOES require serious consideration from a variety
>> >>     perspectives.  I don't think there is a simple answer
>> >>     applicable to all cases, except perhaps that museum
>> >>     folk should/must afford indigenous people's claims the
>> >>     right to serious examination and consideration in such
>> >>     matters.  My knee-jerk reaction to your original post
>> >>     was in response to the implication that original owners
>> >>     were always still "rightful" owners.
>> >>
>> >>     Even the car analogy, presuming that you sold it to me
>> >>     outright and with no liens or other encumbrances,
>> >>     doesn't always work.  In ND if a person under 21 years
>> >>     of age sells something, he/she can state they didn't
>> >>     understand the matter and re-claim the sold item (and
>> >>     return the purchase price) until they ARE 21.  We found
>> >>     that out the hard way when we accepted an artifact
>> >>     donation from a 16 year old.  She later changed her
>> >>     mind and the lawyers held that we had to return the
>> >>     item even though we'd gotten the teenager's mother to
>> >>     countersign the deed of gift.  We no longer accept
>> >>     donations from people under 21.
>> >>
>> >>     Good luck.
>> >>
>> >>     Chris Dill
>> >>
>> >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> >>C. L. Dill, Museum Director
>> >>State Historical Society of North Dakota
>> >>612 East Boulevard
>> >>Bismarck  ND  58505-0830    USA
>> >>P: (701)328-2666
>> >>F: (701)328-3710
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>> >>Visit our Web site at: http://www.state.nd.us/hist/
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>> >
>> >
>>
>

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