Precisely my point; perhaps I was too subtle. The original, well-intentioned post implied (implied nothin' -- stated outright) that today's college freshman have no knowledge of anything that happened before roughly 1992. To point out the fallacy in this argument, I applied that same logic to senior citizens and discovered that many are too young to remember Lindbergh, the Hindenberg, yadda yadda yadda. But to say they have no knowledge of these events is demonstrably wrong, as you so correctly note. I deliberately chose things that everybody knows, like "White Christmas," to emphasize this point. Sorry if I caused any confusion. Eugene Dillenburg Lead Developer, Philippine Coral Reef Exhibit John G. Shedd Aquarium 1200 S. Lake Shore Drive Chicago, Ill. 60605 V) 312 / 692-3136 F) 312 / 939 - 8001 e) [log in to unmask] "Rules of grammar which don't contribute to clarity can be thrown out with the classroom chalk stubs." -- Heywood Hale Broun ============================================== Very interesting! One question though, why is it you think that the song "White Christmas" is on the endangerded songs list? I don't know about you but I hear it every Christmas! It's one thing to say that a person didn't go through something because he or she wasn't born yet, but it's quite another to say that that person can't know! What do you call history then? Ed Murray