Just to move tjis topic on to something that Jay has made me think about again and which may be of interest to museum list. Maybe Jay I would advocate the defacement of buildings-although I agree with you on the fundamentals really -there can be peculiar circumstances. One of the issues that got the heritage business talking around 1994 election period was what was going to happen to the monuments? I don't if you guys also have the perception gained from bad movies and intense documentaries based in Eastern Europe of the change in regime being accompanied by massive tearing down of the monuments of the old. Very little of that has happened here-which is a great relief given how much it would cost-although we do have a Naming Commission which has renamed a few streets and squares mainly to Nelson Mandela Drive. I was glad for another readon-I think that it is very important that the monuments to th eleaders of apartheid and their heritage as they saw it continue to stand as reminders to us and to future generations of where we come from and where we sould be going. But I am not sure that I am totally against changing what some of these monuments do and that might mean 'defacing' them from some people's point of view. Anyway I don't how much museums are involved in monuments elsewhere but I thin its an interesting debate. I know there are many people with very understandable reasons for having these things pulled down-besides of course the aesthetic -many are extremely ugly! Kathryn