Oh, and by the way - I think languages change over time, don't you? I am not a language specialist or linguist or anything like that, but definitions seem to e volve sometimes as society that uses them changes. What were the first museums? I think the way we use words, and the changes that can occur, can be very intere sting. I may "turn" the channel on my TV, but I do it by pushing a button now r ather than turning a knob. How about "rolling down" an electrically powered car window? I guess we have to take into consideration idiom in all of this... Just food for thought. Tim Campbell