Thanks to all who responded with possible places to look for more info on Carl Betz; if I locate anything I'll report back. Ivy Fleck Strickler Phone 215-895-1637 Drexel University Fax 215-895-4917 Nesbitt College of Design Arts [log in to unmask] Philadelphia, PA 19104 "Never forget that life is like a Fellini movie, and you're getting to see it for free=8A"