hi! what is done on some of my other lists is to start the Subj: with the first part of the list's name. ie: MU or MUS: then give a _short_ idea of what the topic is. this really works. especially for us that get over 100 messages a day. it allows us to delete what isn't interesting or in the same field. long Subj: lines don't show in the mailer, so you have to open them to see what is there. nothing is more frustrating than opening mail you don't want. Job Posting Collection ? = collection question and so forth. we can shorten these so everyone can read them with out having them written in stone. kathy. botanical model-maker