Thank you all for the wonderful sources and suggestions. No hazer allowed at Fraunces Tavern Museum. From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Caitlin Nealon Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 1:21 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [MUSEUM-L] Use of Hazer in Museum There are several concerns here for everyone. For you, the potential for harmful residue in your historic space. For the team, concerns of noise and aesthetics. Thankfully, there are many options to consider. First off, residue has not been a problem in my experience with hazers, however this has primarily been in theatrical settings. I've had colleagues who have had major problems, but this has almost always been in situations where a hazer has been used extensively over a long period of time, including some church settings or very long-run theatrical productions. I would check with the production team to determine just how much haze they're planning to have to get the effect they've been told to get. Since this is an indoor setting, it's probably a very light haze. If they just want an effect around their subjects, light haze should do fine. If they're looking to get beams of light or a more dramatic effect, then you're looking at a lot of haze to produce the effect. If they say they're going for something heavy, you could mitigate the amount of haze in use by insisting on very light haze. There are multiple types of hazers. The one the team has requested to bring on is one of the finest oil-based hazers on the market. It has really exquisite level and output control, so it will be easy for the gaffers to be very precise in the amount of haze they're using. However, if you're trying to avoid oil, the alternative is a water-based hazer. Water based hazers vary in their primary ingredient, from glycerol-based smoke-type fogs to the high end sugar-based hazes. There is a lot of variety here, which will allow you to chose something which will work best in your specific situation. The downside to water-based haze machines is in the controls. Unlike fog machines and oil-based hazers where output can be stopped on a dime, the controls for water-based hazers are not as precise. If the machine is only operated at a low level then that shouldn't be a problem at all.If you take this route, I would recommend you suggest they bring in a water-based hazer like the LeMaitre Radiance, which has some the most precise controls on water-based hazers on the market. LeMaitre also makes hazer fluid with a sugar base (PureHaze), which is something you'd probably want to discuss with your conservation specialists about it's suitability in your space. Both the Radiance and the EcoHazer can run PureHaze, which is probably the cleanest haze you'll be able to get. Another good option would be the Chauvet Premium Haze Fluid in an Amhaze hazer, which Chauvet claims leaves no residue after use. I've had great results from Chauvet in the past, checking with their tech department to determine what is in the PHF might also be a good idea. Several people have suggested using dry ice as an alternative, but I can say with some certainty that dry ice will not work. Dry ice produces a fog-like smoke and is not desirable for hazer effects. Fog and smoke machines produce heavy, rolling clouds which stay close to the ground and do not suspend in the air. That's not what the team is going for if they're asking to bring a hazer. Aside from concerns about ventilation, dry ice simply isn't going to produce the effect they're looking for. The vapor clouds are heavy and will drop to the ground and roll. They will not produce either the lighting beam effects or the atmospheric effects of a hazer. The same holds true for nitrogen-based effects. Perhaps a solution might be to insist on a specific type of water-based haze (and a hazer to handle it) and to add the request that the production team also cover the cost for cleaning immediately after use? Your conservation experts will probably be able to determine which type of water-based haze is best for use in your space, and you'll be able to move forward from there. Hope this is helpful! Caitlin On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 12:13 PM Cindy Boyer <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Randy mentioned to BE THERE when the shoot is happening. I can’t imagine this is Fraunces Tavern’s first film request – but in case it is, we have put in our contract that a site staff person must be onsite during any activity by the crew, and that the site staff person has veto power over any and all activities. Cindy Boyer Director of Public Programs The Landmark Society of Western New York 133 S. Fitzhugh St. Rochester NY 14608 (585) 546-7029 ext. 12 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Fax: (585) 546-4788 www.landmarksociety.org<http://www.landmarksociety.org/> Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12149056258> From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Deb Fuller Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 11:49 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [MUSEUM-L] Use of Hazer in Museum Agree with everyone!! Any fog type machine other than basic dry ice is going to use something that spews particulates into the atmosphere to create the fog. It's not something you'd want in a historic environment. I'd allow dry ice because that's only frozen CO2 and it produces gas without particulates. But conservators might over rule me on this if excess CO2 is bad for historic furnishings and structures. If you allow it, check their equipment thoroughly and make sure that they aren't adding anything into the dry ice to make the smoke thicker or have other effects. That will use some form of particulate that will spew into the air and defeat the purpose of clean CO2 fog. And like Randy said, watch them because sometimes production crews just plain ignore you and other times the guys on set just don't get the message. Deb Fuller On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Randy Little <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: If you tell them no and they still want to shoot there, make sure it's in the contract that IT IS HOT ALLOWED and make it super clear that no artificial environmental FX are allowed and then BE THERE and be ready for them to try to do it anyway. Productions have a tendency to just not care what you say to them. Randy S. Little http://www.rslittle.com/ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2325729/ On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Milissa Brooks-Ojibway <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: This sounds like a very bad idea. I cannot imagine how hard it would be to then remove mineral oil from EVERYTHING in the room. And I cannot imagine that mineral oil allowed to stay on an object would not in some way damage the object, especially textiles, but really any porous material is vulnerable. Since yours is a tavern, I presume theirs much wood, and since I am not a wood expert, I would look to others to chime in here. But there's my two cents. Milissa Milissa Brooks-Ojibway Collection Manager Glensheen, The Historic Congdon Estate 3300 London Rd. Duluth, MN 55804 (218) 343-7574<tel:%28218%29%20343-7574> (cell) (218) 726-8939<tel:%28218%29%20726-8939> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> glensheen.wp.d.umn.edu<http://glensheen.wp.d.umn.edu> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Jessica Phillips <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Hello Wise Listers, A filming crew has requested to use a DF-50 Diffusion Hazer in one of our period room exhibitions. It uses food grade mineral oil to put micron size droplets into the air to create a "hazy" look. My initial reaction is to deny the use of this machine. Does anyone have any experience with this type of machine? Thank you for your assistance! Jessica Fraunces Tavern Museum ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MUSEUM-L list, click the following link: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-HOME.exe?SUBED1=MUSEUM-L&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MUSEUM-L list, click the following link: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-HOME.exe?SUBED1=MUSEUM-L&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MUSEUM-L list, click the following link: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-HOME.exe?SUBED1=MUSEUM-L&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MUSEUM-L list, click the following link: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-HOME.exe?SUBED1=MUSEUM-L&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MUSEUM-L list, click the following link: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-HOME.exe?SUBED1=MUSEUM-L&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MUSEUM-L list, click the following link: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-HOME.exe?SUBED1=MUSEUM-L&A=1 ========================================================= Important Subscriber Information: The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "help" (without the quotes). If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes).