I can appreciate what you're saying, Jamie. But honestly, I wonder if it isn't more of a financial hardship on these grads to not have jobs than to spend a few hundred bucks on an interview. I mean, I wouldn't do it for the first interview. But at the second interview level (first via phone), they have a better sense of their chances and it could be a justifiable expense. Especially if they live in cities that are crowded with museum studies graduates--there might not be 10 but rather hundreds of local applicants for every job. But they also wouldn't want to just move to a new place without a job offer in hand just to become a local--especially to cities with fewer opportunities or high living expenses. They're caught between a rock and a hard place. Cheers, Shana On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jamie Smith <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > From the Museum perspective, I think a small to medium museum is not going > to consider an out-of-State candidate if they are located more than a > reasonable day trip away from the museum they apply to because the museum > does not have the resources to reimburse each candidate for travel and they > do realize that these candidates are just starting out and do not have the > means to fly in for an interview for an entry level job either. That is why > we keep our search State wide for entry level positions. Please keep in > mind that we typically receive at least 50 resumes for such positions, all > of which have basically the same level of education and experience and at > least 10 of these candidates are fairly local, so there is no shortage of > qualified local candidates. If we did advertise nationwide for such > positions, I would really have a hard time as a human being asking a > candidate to fly in knowing, at this stage in their career, it would cause > them financial hardship when they are competing against so many other > candidates with basically the same credentials. I would really concentrate > my search locally, try and attain an entry level position and then take it > from there. Certainly when you are ready to move on to a higher position, > the search parameters widen and you can cast your net wider as well.**** > > ** ** > > Jamie**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On > Behalf Of *Shana West > *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:27 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* SPAM-MED: Re: [MUSEUM-L] Employment Search Frustrations for > the recent graduates**** > > ** ** > > I have found it puzzling when museums I applied to in other states weren't > interested because I wasn't local. I moved across the country for my first, > entry-level museum job. Many graduates would jump at the chance for a full > time job, regardless of location. So when grads have come to me asking for > advice on applying out of state, I've told them to say they're already > planning on moving to that city independently of the job (yes, it's a white > lie). That way, the hiring museum won't feel like they have to pay > expenses. **** > > ** ** > > I haven't tried it myself, but I was in a situation where I was actually > moving to a new city and applying for a job. I don't think I would have > been considered had I not already been planning a move. In fact, I'm pretty > sure they asked me on the phone interview, "And you're definitely moving > here?" **** > > ** ** > > Just an idea.**** > > Shana**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Jamie Smith <[log in to unmask]> > wrote:**** > > Hi All:**** > > I have posted positions on local sites before, such as MANY (Museum > Association of the State of NY) and I have interviewed and hired candidates > from these postings. Perhaps you need to look at State museum organizations > rather than national organizations to post your resume on. I know from the > Museum perspective, we are not interested in a nationwide search to fill an > entry level position, so we keep the posting local, or at least at the > State level.**** > > **** > > Hope this helps and good luck,**** > > Jamie Smith Quinn**** > > Executive Director**** > > FASNY Museum of Firefighting**** > > **** > > *From:* Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On > Behalf Of *Laurie A Sedicino > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:08 PM**** > > > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [MUSEUM-L] Employment Search Frustrations for the recent > graduates**** > > **** > > I would also be interested in the answer to Matthew’s question. I have to > agree that - at least for museum field jobs – I have never once experienced > museum search committees using posted resume sources…and I have never been > contacted through these sources. I would like to hear along with Matthew > if you think these are good uses of *such *spare job search time and > energy??**** > > **** > > Thanks**** > > Laurie**** > > **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]>] > *On Behalf Of *Matthew White > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:52 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [MUSEUM-L] Employment Search Frustrations for the recent > graduates**** > > **** > > I have a question for the group that is tangentially related.**** > > **** > > There are several professional organizations that invite those looking for > a job to post their resumes and particulars. (I have posted at both AAM and > AASLH. I am sure there are similar sites in other niches of the field.) I > have also posted on Linked-In. As anyone who has ever done this knows, it > can be kind of time consuming to enter and keep current. **** > > **** > > Has anyone ever gotten contact through one of these services? An > interview? A job?**** > > **** > > For those of you who have hired recently, did you use these services? If > not why not?**** > > **** > > What about Linked-In?**** > > **** > > Personally, I know a lot of people in the job market and even a good > number who hire and I have never heard of ANYONE even being contacted > through one of these services, let alone get a job.**** > > **** > > Does anyone think these are good uses of spare job search time and energy? > **** > > **** > > Matthew White**** > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Ashley Watson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:**** > > **** > > Hello all, **** > > I want to thank you all for sharing your experiences and the advice. I > already decided to open my search wide open to start somewhere. I had two > job interviews that took the place last November but didn't get the job. I > received a PERSONAL email from a museum to inform me that my professional > package has been forwarded directly to the museum director. So it > certainly passed the human resources wall. So with that, should I check > with them for the status progression? **** > > **** > > One more thing:**** > > In response to Allison Bott, despite my name giving an implication that I > would be a female, I am actually a male. That is alright. I will read the > article in the link you provided as it may apply to me as I am also in the > minority as i am Deaf. So I face the same challenges as others who are in > the minorities. **** > > **** > > Ashley Watson**** > > **** > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Jillian Shoblock <[log in to unmask]> > wrote:**** > > I have been applying since December 2011 when I graduated with my MA in > Museum Studies an have only had 2 interviews. Do I get frustrated a lot, > yes but I haven't given up hope yet. I do still have an active social life > and work in management in retail. Is that what I want? Definitely not. I > intern at a museum that I love and would love to be able to work at. But > can't afford to hire me so right now I am getting a little of what I love > to do. What I have found is trying to stay positive even though I have > applied to well over 100 positions all dealing with collections management > and most with history, since that is one of my undergraduate degrees, is > what keeps me going. Try to enjoy your life outside the museum an continue > to visit museums. If you can't find a job in I e and have to work elsewhere > then volunteer so you still get your fill. I know it sucks, trust me all my > friends have full time jobs and are "living the life" but I have to believe > that my time will come. Also my one friend keeps telling me to look at > higher Ed jobs like academic advising if you have a masters. Just a > thought. Good luck and keep your head up! > > Jillian > > Sent from my iPhone**** > > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 3:58 PM, "Jentzsch, Tracy" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > Ashley, for you and others searching for job leads, I would recommend a > > free resource we offer through the University of Delaware's Museum > Studies > > Program. MuseWeekly is our weekly electronic news that provides job > > posts, internships, conferences, calls for papers, announcements and news > > related to all things "museum". We never rent or sell our list, and > there > > is always a plethora of good leads. You can sign up for this free > > resource by going to our website, www.udel.edu/museumstudies and filing > in > > the three question form on the index page. Good luck to you. > > > > > > > > Tracy H. Jentzsch > > Staff Assistant, Museum Studies Program > > University of Delaware > > 302.831.1251 > > Www.udel.edu/museumstudies <http://www.udel.edu/museumstudies> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/20/13 3:49 PM, "Ashley Watson" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> I graduated with masters in the museum studies at Syracuse University > >> last May and have not found a job yet despite aggressively applying for > >> various openings within my experience and skill range. I have completed > >> an internship at National Museum of Natural History in the exhibits > >> department and is currently a zooarchaeological/collections intern at > the > >> Museum Support Center till this May. Any recent graduates here that > >> have the same frustrating experience? Those internships certainly help > >> keep me sane professionally and personally but I certainly need to begin > >> LIVING. 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