I can appreciate what you're saying, Jamie. But honestly, I wonder if it
isn't more of a financial hardship on these grads to not have jobs than to
spend a few hundred bucks on an interview. I mean, I wouldn't do it for the
first interview. But at the second interview level (first via phone), they
have a better sense of their chances and it could be a justifiable expense.
Especially if they live in cities that are crowded with museum studies
graduates--there might not be 10 but rather hundreds of local applicants
for every job. But they also wouldn't want to just move to a new place
without a job offer in hand just to become a local--especially to cities
with fewer opportunities or high living expenses. They're caught between a
rock and a hard place.
Cheers,
Shana


On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jamie Smith <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> From the Museum perspective, I think a small to medium museum is not going
> to consider an out-of-State candidate if they are located more than a
> reasonable day trip away from the museum they apply to because the museum
> does not have the resources to reimburse each candidate for travel and they
> do realize that these candidates are just starting out and do not have the
> means to fly in for an interview for an entry level job either. That is why
> we keep our search State wide for entry level positions. Please keep in
> mind that we typically receive at least 50 resumes for such positions, all
> of which have basically the same level of education and experience and at
> least 10 of these candidates are fairly local, so there is no shortage of
> qualified local candidates. If we did advertise nationwide for such
> positions, I would really have a hard time as a human being asking a
> candidate to fly in knowing, at this stage in their career, it would cause
> them financial hardship when they are competing against so many other
> candidates with basically the same credentials. I would really concentrate
> my search locally, try and attain an entry level position and then take it
> from there. Certainly when you are ready to move on to a higher position,
> the search parameters widen and you can cast your net wider as well.****
>
> ** **
>
> Jamie****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On
> Behalf Of *Shana West
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:27 AM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* SPAM-MED: Re: [MUSEUM-L] Employment Search Frustrations for
> the recent graduates****
>
> ** **
>
> I have found it puzzling when museums I applied to in other states weren't
> interested because I wasn't local. I moved across the country for my first,
> entry-level museum job. Many graduates would jump at the chance for a full
> time job, regardless of location. So when grads have come to me asking for
> advice on applying out of state, I've told them to say they're already
> planning on moving to that city independently of the job (yes, it's a white
> lie). That way, the hiring museum won't feel like they have to pay
> expenses. ****
>
> ** **
>
> I haven't tried it myself, but I was in a situation where I was actually
> moving to a new city and applying for a job. I don't think I would have
> been considered had I not already been planning a move. In fact, I'm pretty
> sure they asked me on the phone interview, "And you're definitely moving
> here?" ****
>
> ** **
>
> Just an idea.****
>
> Shana****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Jamie Smith <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:****
>
> Hi All:****
>
> I have posted positions on local sites before, such as MANY (Museum
> Association of the State of NY) and I have interviewed and hired candidates
> from these postings. Perhaps you need to look at State museum organizations
> rather than national organizations to post your resume on. I know from the
> Museum perspective, we are not interested in a nationwide search to fill an
> entry level position, so we keep the posting local, or at least at the
> State level.****
>
>  ****
>
> Hope this helps and good luck,****
>
> Jamie Smith Quinn****
>
> Executive Director****
>
> FASNY Museum of Firefighting****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On
> Behalf Of *Laurie A Sedicino
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:08 PM****
>
>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [MUSEUM-L] Employment Search Frustrations for the recent
> graduates****
>
>  ****
>
> I would also be interested in the answer to Matthew’s question.  I have to
> agree that - at least for museum field jobs – I have never once experienced
> museum search committees using posted resume sources…and I have never been
> contacted through these sources.  I would like to hear along with Matthew
> if you think these are good uses of *such *spare job search time and
> energy??****
>
>  ****
>
> Thanks****
>
> Laurie****
>
>  ****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]>]
> *On Behalf Of *Matthew White
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:52 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [MUSEUM-L] Employment Search Frustrations for the recent
> graduates****
>
>  ****
>
> I have a question for the group that is tangentially related.****
>
>  ****
>
> There are several professional organizations that invite those looking for
> a job to post their resumes and particulars. (I have posted at both AAM and
> AASLH. I am sure there are similar sites in other niches of the field.) I
> have also posted on Linked-In. As anyone who has ever done this knows, it
> can be kind of time consuming to enter and keep current. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Has anyone ever gotten contact through one of these services? An
> interview? A job?****
>
>  ****
>
> For those of you who have hired recently, did you use these services? If
> not why not?****
>
>  ****
>
> What about Linked-In?****
>
>  ****
>
> Personally, I know a lot of people in the job market and even a good
> number who hire and I have never heard of ANYONE even being contacted
> through one of these services, let alone get a job.****
>
>  ****
>
> Does anyone think these are good uses of spare job search time and energy?
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Matthew White****
>
> On Feb 20, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Ashley Watson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:****
>
>  ****
>
> Hello all,  ****
>
>    I want to thank you all for sharing your experiences and the advice.  I
> already decided to open my search wide open to start somewhere.   I had two
> job interviews that took the place last November but didn't get the job. I
> received a PERSONAL email from a museum to inform me that my professional
> package has been forwarded directly to the museum director.  So it
> certainly passed the human resources wall. So with that, should I check
> with them for the status progression?   ****
>
>  ****
>
> One more thing:****
>
> In response to Allison Bott,  despite my name giving an implication that I
> would be a female, I am actually a male. That is alright.  I will read the
> article in the link you provided as it may apply to me as I am also in the
> minority as i am Deaf.   So I face the same challenges as others who are in
> the minorities. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Ashley Watson****
>
>  ****
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Jillian Shoblock <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:****
>
> I have been applying since December 2011 when I graduated with my MA in
> Museum Studies an have only had 2 interviews. Do I get frustrated a lot,
> yes but I haven't given up hope yet. I do still have an active social life
> and work in management in retail. Is that what I want? Definitely not. I
> intern at a museum that I love and would love to be able to work at. But
> can't afford to hire me so right now I am getting a little of what I love
> to do. What I have found is trying to stay positive even though I have
> applied to well over 100 positions all dealing with collections management
> and most with history, since that is one of my undergraduate degrees, is
> what keeps me going. Try to enjoy your life outside the museum an continue
> to visit museums. If you can't find a job in I e and have to work elsewhere
> then volunteer so you still get your fill. I know it sucks, trust me all my
> friends have full time jobs and are "living the life" but I have to believe
> that my time will come. Also my one friend keeps telling me to look at
> higher Ed jobs like academic advising if you have a masters. Just a
> thought. Good luck and keep your head up!
>
> Jillian
>
> Sent from my iPhone****
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2013, at 3:58 PM, "Jentzsch, Tracy" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Ashley, for you and others searching for job leads, I would recommend a
> > free resource we offer through the University of Delaware's Museum
> Studies
> > Program.  MuseWeekly is our weekly electronic news that provides job
> > posts, internships, conferences, calls for papers, announcements and news
> > related to all things "museum".  We never rent or sell our list, and
> there
> > is always a plethora of good leads.  You can sign up for this free
> > resource by going to our website, www.udel.edu/museumstudies and filing
> in
> > the three question form on the index page.  Good luck to you.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tracy H. Jentzsch
> > Staff Assistant, Museum Studies Program
> > University of Delaware
> > 302.831.1251
> > Www.udel.edu/museumstudies <http://www.udel.edu/museumstudies>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/20/13 3:49 PM, "Ashley Watson" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>  I graduated with masters in the museum studies at Syracuse University
> >> last May and have not found a job yet despite aggressively applying for
> >> various openings within my experience and skill range. I have completed
> >> an internship at National Museum of Natural History in the exhibits
> >> department and is currently a zooarchaeological/collections intern at
> the
> >> Museum Support Center till this May.   Any recent graduates here that
> >> have the same frustrating experience?   Those internships certainly help
> >> keep me sane professionally and personally but I certainly need to begin
> >> LIVING. I want to add one thing that I was more than qualified for one
> >> position at National Museum of Natural History but didn't break through
> >> the annoying human resources "wall". My colleague who was qualified to
> >> the maximum also applied for the same position got the same result.
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