Questions of salary are important as well, but the overriding question is
numbers of applicants versus numbers of jobs. Let's establish that first
(fewer questions = better response, I hope).

Dan

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Therese Quinn <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Perhaps add as well, is your museum unionized?
>
> Therese Quinn
> Director, Museum and Exhibition Studies
> University of Illinois at Chicago
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:47 AM, m. sam cronk <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> You might want to add to that list: what is a livable wage for your
>> region
>>
>> M. Sam Cronk
>> Claremont Fellow and Visiting Scholar, Claremont Colleges
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Dan Bartlett <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>
>>> How about we compile some anecdotal evidence right here. If your
>>> organization hired for a position in collections, exhibits, or education in
>>> the last year:
>>>
>>> What was the position?
>>> How many applicants did you have?
>>> What percent met your minimum qualifications?
>>> Did you prefer a master's degree or certificate in museology or a
>>> specific discipline?
>>> Would you have considered hiring someone w/o a master's but with
>>> significant experience?
>>> Would you have considered hiring someone with a recent bachelor's but
>>> with a museology major or minor?
>>> How many FTEs on your staff?
>>>
>>> If you would like to remain anonymous please forward your replies to me
>>> and I will strip out the relevant information.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Robert Patrick Connolly (rcnnolly) <
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I feel like I am missing something in this discussion.  According to
>>>> the AAM recent survey of over 4000 currently employed museum professionals,
>>>> here is the education demographic breakdown:
>>>>
>>>>  7.7% High school
>>>>  5.6 %  2 year degree
>>>> 44.8% B.A. Or 4 year degree
>>>> 35.3% Master’s degree
>>>> 5.1% PhD
>>>> 1.4% Other
>>>>
>>>>  The above suggests to me that having a BA or MA is where the action
>>>> is at in terms of museum employment.  I routinely advise students that
>>>> unless they want to teach there is little reason for them to continue on
>>>> for a PhD.  I am often amazed at the false information students use to
>>>> justify the need for getting a PhD (e.g., can't apply for a grant without a
>>>> PhD, most people with good museum jobs have a PhD, more employable with a
>>>> PhD, etc. etc.)  In fact curators and directors of publication were the
>>>> only job classes in the AAM survey where over 10% had PhDs.
>>>>
>>>>  I teach in a Graduate Certificate Program (M.A. plus certificate).
>>>>  Coincidentally we were going through our alums last week seeing who was
>>>> employed.  I don't have the figures in front of me, but we were all
>>>> surprised that a very high number of our grads are employed today,
>>>> including recent grads.  A key seems to their employment is flexibility in
>>>> building a career.  In the past I used Elizabeth Schalatter's book on
>>>> Museum Careers - it is very linear - here is what a curator does, exhibit
>>>> designer, etc. etc.  More recently Burdick's Creative Careers in Museums is
>>>> much more about the entanglement and cross–over in museum positions today.
>>>>
>>>> I will also note that I hired for two museum positions
>>>> (administrative/interpretive) in the last three years and although we had
>>>> over 70 applications each time, in neither case did more than four of the
>>>> applicants have any museum experience or course work.
>>>>
>>>>  So yes, unemployment is high.  By occupation, I suspect Museum folks
>>>> are actually faring quite a bit better than most (
>>>> http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t13.htm).
>>>>
>>>>  My Egyptology colleagues are unanimous – there are very few jobs for
>>>> Egyptologists.  I had dinner last night with a board certified forensic
>>>> anthropologist – a heavy hitter in the field.  On her web page (
>>>> http://inside.msj.edu/academics/faculty/murraye/Careers_in_Forensics.html) she
>>>> announces that regardless of how much you want to emulate the CSI TV shows
>>>> in your careers, there are few of those jobs.  A student is well advised to
>>>> review the career opportunities in museums through the AAM job board,
>>>> Museum-L, AAMG-L. and others to see what jobs are actually open these days.
>>>>  I tend to have very fruitful advising sessions with students who couple
>>>> their career interests with the current availability or trajectory of
>>>> museum employment possibilities.
>>>>
>>>>  My .02
>>>>
>>>>  Robert
>>>>
>>>>   Robert P. Connolly, PhD
>>>> Director, C.H. Nash Museum at Chucalissa
>>>> 1987 Indian Village Drive, Memphis, Tennessee  38109
>>>> 901-785-3160, ext. 15
>>>>
>>>> Associate Professor, Anthropology
>>>> The University of Memphis 38152
>>>> 901-678-3331
>>>>
>>>> http://www.memphis.edu/chucalissa/
>>>> http://rcnnolly.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>> The mission of the C.H. Nash Museum at Chucalissa, a division of the
>>>> University of Memphis, is to protect and interpret the Chucalissa
>>>> archaeological site’s cultural and natural environments, and to provide the
>>>> University Community and the public with exceptional educational,
>>>> participatory, and research opportunities on the landscape’s past and
>>>> present Native American and traditional cultures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 12/17/12 10:41 AM, "Christopher Woodhouse" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I have to agree with Dan. There are too many programs and not enough
>>>> jobs, yet our colleges and universities still offer these programs and spit
>>>> out graduates every fall and spring. It is very deceiving, and prospective
>>>> students should ask these institutions for hard data on what their
>>>> placement percentages are before applying/considering a career in this
>>>> sector.
>>>>
>>>>  We will not see any change until museums stop requiring higher
>>>> degrees for certain positions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Chris Woodhouse
>>>>
>>>>  Unemployed, yet still hopeful, emerging museum professional
>>>> Cranston, RI
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