You might want to add to that list: what is a livable wage for your region

M. Sam Cronk
Claremont Fellow and Visiting Scholar, Claremont Colleges



On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Dan Bartlett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> How about we compile some anecdotal evidence right here. If your
> organization hired for a position in collections, exhibits, or education in
> the last year:
>
> What was the position?
> How many applicants did you have?
> What percent met your minimum qualifications?
> Did you prefer a master's degree or certificate in museology or a specific
> discipline?
> Would you have considered hiring someone w/o a master's but with
> significant experience?
> Would you have considered hiring someone with a recent bachelor's but with
> a museology major or minor?
> How many FTEs on your staff?
>
> If you would like to remain anonymous please forward your replies to me
> and I will strip out the relevant information.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Robert Patrick Connolly (rcnnolly) <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>  I feel like I am missing something in this discussion.  According to
>> the AAM recent survey of over 4000 currently employed museum professionals,
>> here is the education demographic breakdown:
>>
>>  7.7% High school
>>  5.6 %  2 year degree
>> 44.8% B.A. Or 4 year degree
>> 35.3% Master’s degree
>> 5.1% PhD
>> 1.4% Other
>>
>>  The above suggests to me that having a BA or MA is where the action is
>> at in terms of museum employment.  I routinely advise students that unless
>> they want to teach there is little reason for them to continue on for a
>> PhD.  I am often amazed at the false information students use to justify
>> the need for getting a PhD (e.g., can't apply for a grant without a PhD,
>> most people with good museum jobs have a PhD, more employable with a PhD,
>> etc. etc.)  In fact curators and directors of publication were the only job
>> classes in the AAM survey where over 10% had PhDs.
>>
>>  I teach in a Graduate Certificate Program (M.A. plus certificate).
>>  Coincidentally we were going through our alums last week seeing who was
>> employed.  I don't have the figures in front of me, but we were all
>> surprised that a very high number of our grads are employed today,
>> including recent grads.  A key seems to their employment is flexibility in
>> building a career.  In the past I used Elizabeth Schalatter's book on
>> Museum Careers - it is very linear - here is what a curator does, exhibit
>> designer, etc. etc.  More recently Burdick's Creative Careers in Museums is
>> much more about the entanglement and cross–over in museum positions today.
>>
>> I will also note that I hired for two museum positions
>> (administrative/interpretive) in the last three years and although we had
>> over 70 applications each time, in neither case did more than four of the
>> applicants have any museum experience or course work.
>>
>>  So yes, unemployment is high.  By occupation, I suspect Museum folks
>> are actually faring quite a bit better than most (
>> http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t13.htm).
>>
>>  My Egyptology colleagues are unanimous – there are very few jobs for
>> Egyptologists.  I had dinner last night with a board certified forensic
>> anthropologist – a heavy hitter in the field.  On her web page (
>> http://inside.msj.edu/academics/faculty/murraye/Careers_in_Forensics.html) she
>> announces that regardless of how much you want to emulate the CSI TV shows
>> in your careers, there are few of those jobs.  A student is well advised to
>> review the career opportunities in museums through the AAM job board,
>> Museum-L, AAMG-L. and others to see what jobs are actually open these days.
>>  I tend to have very fruitful advising sessions with students who couple
>> their career interests with the current availability or trajectory of
>> museum employment possibilities.
>>
>>  My .02
>>
>>  Robert
>>
>>   Robert P. Connolly, PhD
>> Director, C.H. Nash Museum at Chucalissa
>> 1987 Indian Village Drive, Memphis, Tennessee  38109
>> 901-785-3160, ext. 15
>>
>> Associate Professor, Anthropology
>> The University of Memphis 38152
>> 901-678-3331
>>
>> http://www.memphis.edu/chucalissa/
>> http://rcnnolly.wordpress.com/
>>
>> The mission of the C.H. Nash Museum at Chucalissa, a division of the
>> University of Memphis, is to protect and interpret the Chucalissa
>> archaeological site’s cultural and natural environments, and to provide the
>> University Community and the public with exceptional educational,
>> participatory, and research opportunities on the landscape’s past and
>> present Native American and traditional cultures.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 12/17/12 10:41 AM, "Christopher Woodhouse" <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I have to agree with Dan. There are too many programs and not enough
>> jobs, yet our colleges and universities still offer these programs and spit
>> out graduates every fall and spring. It is very deceiving, and prospective
>> students should ask these institutions for hard data on what their
>> placement percentages are before applying/considering a career in this
>> sector.
>>
>>  We will not see any change until museums stop requiring higher degrees
>> for certain positions.
>>
>>
>>  Chris Woodhouse
>>
>>  Unemployed, yet still hopeful, emerging museum professional
>> Cranston, RI
>>
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> Logan Museum of Anthropology
> Beloit College
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