Hi Laura,

 

CHM uses U-Line food grade polyethylene bags. They are excellent in quality and come in a huge variety of sizes at a fraction of the cost the ‘archival’ suppliers provide. U-Line will answer any questions you have about their manufacturing methods or sub-contracted materials. Bonus: they’ll send samples too. You are wise to ask questions! From personal experience I always keep in mind that there is no “international standard” for the term ‘archival’ and any vendor can apply it any way they see fit.

 

-Karen

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From: Marc A Williams [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: polyethylene bags--sources and different types

 

Laura,

 

First, let me say I am a pragmatist, not an idealist, at least with respect to conservation.  The answer to your question is it depends, both on the product, as well as what you are using the bags for.  Polyethylene itself is stable and considered appropriate for conservation use.  However, not all polyethylene is made the same way.  Some have additives and is mostly polyethylene, but it is still called polyethylene.  Some have excess ethylene monomer or catalyst that are left over from the conversion to polyethylene.  How much of this exists, who knows.  I personally doubt that the archival suppliers have any better handle on this than anyone else. 

 

So, my general rule (of course subject to inaccuracy) is that if something is food grade - it is suitable for food that ends up in our bodies, it is OK for museum collections.  This is not perfect, as evidenced by the recent controversy over water and drink bottles that are made of polystyrene and polycarbonate, and may be OK for short term use, but can be dangerous if re-used over and over.  I have always felt it was OK to use food-grade polyethylene bags for collections, particularly for those institutions who want to get the most bang for the buck.  I'm sure others may disagree, but we certainly can't be testing every bag we use for a bad batch or other inappropriate manufacturing techniques.  At some point, we have to put our faith in something, and I think that companies that produce a product that could make people sick and result in huge lawsuits have an incentive to be pretty careful in their quality control, at least compared to companies that make archival products which have very little risk of resulting in lawsuits.

 

These same considerations also apply to "ethafoam," which is itself made from polyethylene.  If the commercial variety of ethafoam is OK compared to the "archival" variety, then the commercial bags should also be OK also.  As for the U-Line bags, the description of "100% virgin, high clarity polyethylene film" would suggest that further investigation is needed.  Polyethylene generally has a cloudy appearance.  In order to produce more clarity, commonly additives are mixed in.  If this is the case, they may leach out over time, such as the concern with Bisphenol A.  If the bags are 100% polyethylene with no additives, they should be fine.  The phrase "100% virgin, high clarity polyethylene film" can be interpreted to read that the polyethylene that is present is 100% virgin, but not necessarily that 100% of everything that is present is polyethylene.  Good luck sleuthing!

 

Marc


American Conservation Consortium, Ltd.
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Marc A. Williams, President
     MS in Art Conservation, Winterthur Museum Program
     Former Chief Wooden Object Conservator, Smithsonian Institution
     Fellow, American Institute for Conservation (AIC)

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: [log in to unmask]">Laura Bachelder

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:41 AM

Subject: [MUSEUM-L] polyethylene bags--sources and different types

 

Good Morning—

 

I noted the discussion about sources for polyethylene foam last month with interest. I was stunned (and grateful) to find that what I had been buying from an archival supply company, I could get for less than half the cost though U-Line. This led me to compare the polyethylene bags and enclosures that we use for photos, documents and small artifacts.

 

At this point I would love some advice from the conservators on the list. Is U-Line’s poly bag (100% virgin, high clarity polyethylene film, 2 mil) really an equal product to Archival Methods uncoated polyethylene, chemically inert bags? I’m having difficulty determining what specifications I should be asking for. It seems too easy (given their prices) that U-line’s bags would be on par with the average Archival supplier.

 

Thanks,

Laura (Bachelder) Furman

Curator of Collections

Midway Village Museum

815-397-9112 ext 108

815-397-9156 fax

 

 

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