I would be interested in writing to you off line to "learn" more of your thinking, and receive answers to my questions.
Thanks.
John
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From: Pamela Silvestri<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:10 PM
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I choose not to answer your question as this has been a long and continuing, personal journey. But I will respond to some of what you write here -because you have little understanding of evolutionary theory and well, I...though only having had taken introductory courses in human evolution, am fascinated by it and had done much independent research.
Again, I find that you are quite stuck with the lineal thinking (which is so common) and unless you choose to expand your way of thinking...it will continue to be difficult for you to understand evolution and many other things too. Well, it was the study of human evolution that assisted me in breaking away from lineal thinking and this opened up a whole new world for me.
Changes that occur via evolution, though sometimes beneficial (if even for a short time), can also result in other change (s) that may not be beneficial. Evolution should not be always equated with 'advances'...as if a life form is striving to be a perfect being. Of course there are inherent parameters (i.e., growth) for our species -that which vary within particular ranges and with relatively few exceptions. However, a mutation (s) may occur to change that, and as a result another species may arise.
So I just wanted to mention a few things here about your misconceptions and biases regarding human evolution. And particularly your lineal thinking that makes you believe that evolution means advancement. So I'm not going to respond to my having mentioned 'primitive traits'. Not all differences and 'tastes' among human populations are those which would be considered primitive traits, and that's about all I have to say on the subject here.
Ironically you refer to war as "primitive", yet evidence tells us that throughout time it has been the rise of city-states that precipitated war.
And when lastly you write here about races and how we hate things that are different from us...this so happens to be one of the main issues that I have with the Creation Museum...is that Adam and Eve are depicted with Caucasian features.
Pam
In a message dated 6/17/2007 11:45:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Pam,
How can you have it both ways? Believe in Evolution, but then have a strong commitment to your god and priest?
Both theories or belief systems states the other is wrong -- is there a comprise? Just wondering.
Yes, "environments and habitats are changing" but that does not prove evolution. Then there is extinction of species,
but that does not prove evolution -- but the opposite, that life dies out not advances. That unknow changes and circumstances can wipe out entire species or life form, and we know that to have happened once or many, many
times over the process of "time." That would mean the evolutionary process would have to start all over again. It
is not a perfect world. In fact, this entire thing we call "life" --- is actually a process of death.
And right -- "Homo habilis (the 'tool maker') survived virtually unchanged (both their physical make up as well as their tool kit) for over a million years." Therefore, Homo habilis did not advance, change or instantly become a higher form of man..they died off, became extinct, are no more.
And what do you mean by, our "species of homo still exhibit 'primitive' characteristics"? Because we all do not
have stubby toes make no difference, we (Homo sapiens) are still all human beings. Though some of us are going
bald, getting gray, some have blond hair (or do they??), some like pizza, and others veggies, some eat with a fork
and spoons, and others with hands. Some are left handed and others are right. Some people are starving while others live in 40 room mansions. That does not mean we are evolving, but simply growth within a species. We are still -- man and woman -- people. We are not advancing to another form of creature.
In fact, evidence shows that we (mankind) may even end up destorying ourselves, as well as this world and our own "primitive" actions of war, greed, domination and dislikes of others who have differences (including theories and
concepts such as science vs. religion or evolution vs. creationism.
How many wars have been fault because of religious differences, cultural differences? In the end, man will wipe
himself off the planet earth because they do not like others who differ or disagree with them.
Look at the wars all because of "religious" differences. Look what Hilter did to the Jewish people. Look with we did in American to the African Americans, to the Native Americans...we have about destroyed entire races because we hate things that are different from us. In fact, our own actions against the enviornment and weapons (war, pollutions, diseases, etc.).
Look at the hate in the centuries of world history? The slaughter of the Christians by the Romans, the Holy Wars,
Hitler's hate for the Jews, against gays, etc. The hate against the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, the Catholics vs. the Protestants, the strife in the Middle East based upon religious beliefs and cultures that have beenfighting each other for centuries, and on and on. You start naming the hate, the contention, the turmoil is this world...and we are not going to ADVANCE or EVOLVE -- we are going to simply wipe out our existence. Nope, I vote that we will not advance, nor have I seen one solid fact that any other life form advanced into a new and different species. They all became extinct, and again museums document this very well in their exhibits and collections.
Peace!
John
Pamela Silvestri, Seasonal State Parks Interpretive Guide
Northeast States Civilian Conservation Corps Museum
Shenipsit State Forest Headquarters
166 Chestnut Hill Road
Stafford Springs, Connecticut 06076
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