Apart that I suppose this argument can annoyed many in the list so I suggest to cut here after this post: Must to pay attention to what news media publish. In Italy there is a discussion now about funding to Culture in general, but the problem was for support to movies (any one know that it is possible to have in italy important amount of money without any movie director curricula?) and to big Operas (La Scala in Milan employ ...and pay..the double of working force need for normal operations). In fact many of the name you cite in your post are film makers or have relation with institutions that live only thanks to government money, without care of any other way to catch money. But after a normal political discussion the planning cut was reduced so much. So the news is 15 days old and no more actual, anyway there are many other form to express opinion on this problem or to make a discussion about. The way you express it: ³Will Italy still be able to show these pieces in the future? Shall Italy's culture brought down to Berlousconis TV niveau - except some highlights for tourists?² Is dense of not-useful polemics and lunch an alarm that it is not justify in any case. A part that, just to remember, that the cut made from Margaret Tacher in UK give the starting point to UK museums to look for other form of income (and Italian museums sleep and sleep on this topic, better know that all management errors will be pay from the State) and to fight the cut in UK a new politics of ³looking for fund² was made. Mario PS: also the critics on that Italian Gov (and pay attention that I refer to Government not on Berlusconi or other one because is not a politics point of view) want to ³transform all public cultural heritage into private companies² Is again without any concrete base, just media rubbish, it refers that inside public museums (to simplify) there are private companies that manage tickets, merchandising, book store etc...but they must pay a big commission to the museums. On 14-11-2005 13:33, "Dr. Christian Müller-Straten" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Dear Mario (ITALIAN!), > > I am sorry to say that this message of INTENDED CUTS go through all our media. > These cuts, indeed, would be unbelievable for a nation of culture. Which > museums? Of course not all museums, because luckily enough they do not get all > their money from this governement. But have I said ALL MUSEUMS? > And of course it is the right of Italy to claim back all illegally exported > objects. I AM NOT REJECTING THIS RIGHT. WE DO THE SAME SAME, OTHER COUNTRIES > DO. My point was to see these claims in relation to the announced cuts. > > In Germany we have already seen the first total closing of museums because of > cuts. The quality of museum work (exhibitions, catalogues, research, > documentation) is degrading in many places. Do YOU really want this for your > country? > > Probably known to you, but not to many of our readers: On October 15th, 2005 > famous directors like Biennale director Marco Müller, Ettore Scola, Roberto > Benigni, the Tavianis, Nanni Moretti and others took part in a national strike > protesting against annual cuts for museums, opera houses, theatres of 160 Mio. > Euros. With regard to the 1000 staff members of the Scala di Milano, > Berlusconi is quoted with "Their work can easily be done by 400." During > another general strike, on October 24th, 2005, many museums stayed closed to > protest against Berlusconis politics. > > Meanwhile: According to the renowned newspaper DIE WELT (25.10.2005), > Berlusconi`s own Cultural Minister Rocco Buttiglione has announced to retreat > from his position if his cabinet does not withdraw these cuts in order to > stabilize the state's budget. > > To see a critical view on Berlusconis 2002 try to transform all public > cultural heritage into private companies: > http://www.3sat.de/3sat.php?http://www.3sat.de/kulturzeit/themen/34676/ > (Unfortunately only German) > > All not true? Best Regards > > > Dr. Christian Müller-Straten > > > > > "Mario Bucolo" <[log in to unmask]> schrieb: > Unbelievable, really unbelievable > > To write a post in the list without any base of true and with an attack > to > italian government > > A) it is a right of Italian Government to claim back artwork illegally > exported > > B) it is false that Italian Government will cut 40% of museums > subsidies, > also because. A part that many museums in Italy are owned by Regions. > > C) there is any space in Italy to show any artworks, probably italian > museums don't apply modern way to manage museums but there are many > museums > that can show artworks > > I think that from your point of view it is better, next time, to catch > more > real information before to post non-real situation just to make a > polemic. > > I'm very surprise that this attacks without any base of true came from > an > editor that normally must to verify information before to carry out it. > > Mario Bucolo > ITALIAN! > > > > On 13-11-2005 11:23, "Dr. Christian Müller-Straten" > <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> > Dear all, >> > >> > Do I understand right: Italy wants some works of art back from the US >> > and at the same time the Berlousconi governement (always good for >> > cultural shocks) announces to cut museum subsidies to 40%? Will Italy >> > still be able to show these pieces in the future? Shall Italy's > culture >> > brought down to Berlousconis TV niveau - except some highlights for >> > tourists? >> > >> > Best regards >> > >> > Christian Müller-Straten >> > Editor MUSEUM AKTUELL (Print and online) >> > >> > >> > "MSN CPPnet (Ton Cremers)" <[log in to unmask]> >> > schrieb: >> > >> > >> > 10/11/2005 >> > RESTITUITI ALL¹ITALIA TRE REPERTI DEL GETTY MUSEUM DI MALIBÙ >> > >> > Ritornano il Vaso di Asteas, l'epigrafe di Selinunte e un tripode >> > etrusco >> > >> > Sono giunti all'aeroporto di Fiumicino tre reperti archeologici >> > provenienti >> > da scavi clandestini nel nostro Paese ed esposti fino a poco tempo fa >> > nelle >> > sale del Getty Museum di Malibù in California. Sono oggetti di grande >> > interesse storico, artistico e scientifico che il Getty Museum, >> > consapevole >> > della loro provenienza illecita, ha deciso di restituire > spontaneamente >> > all'Italia. Si tratta di un cratere a calice a figure rosse, opera > del >> > pittore greco Asteas risalente al 340 a.C. circa rinvenuto > illecitamente >> > in >> > Campania, di una stele funeraria lapidea del VI secolo a.C. sottratta >> > nei >> > pressi della antica colonia greca di Selinunte in Sicilia e di un >> > candelabro >> > bronzeo a treppiede di origine etrusca trafugato dalla ex collezione >> > Guglielmi di Vulci. >> > >> > Il Ministro per i Beni e le attività culturali, Rocco Buttiglione, il >> > Comandante del Comando Tutela Patrimonio Culturale, Generale Ugo > Zottin, >> > il >> > Comandante della Divisione Unità Mobili e Specializzate, Generale >> > Serafino >> > Liberati, il Capo Dipartimento per la Ricerca e l'Innovazione >> > Tecnologica >> > del MiBAC, Giuseppe Proietti, e il Procuratore Capo della Repubblica > di >> > Roma, Giovanni Ferrara, presenteranno i tre reperti in una conferenza >> > stampa >> > che si terrà venerdì 11 novembre alle ore 11:00 presso il Comando >> > Tutela >> > Patrimonio Culturale dell'Arma dei Carabinieri, via Anicia 24 (Porta >> > Portese). >> > >> > Saranno presenti tra gli altri anche un rappresentante dell'Agenzia >> > delle >> > Dogane e il responsabile dell'Immigration and Customs Enforcement >> > presso >> > l'Ambasciata degli Stati Uniti d'America a Roma, Robert Stiriti. >> > >> > DICHIARAZIONE DEL MINISTRO BUTTIGLIONE IN CONFERENZA STAMPA "Crediamo >> > nel >> > prestito prolungato degli oggetti d'arte. Chi, fra i musei stranieri, >> > riconosce che la proprieta' dei beni culturali italiani appartiene al >> > popolo >> > italiano conquista il diritto a concorrere a prestiti che potrebbero >> > arrivare a 8-10 anni al posto dei 4 attuali". >> > Lo ha detto il ministro per i Beni e le attivita' culturali, Rocco >> > Buttiglione, nel corso della presentazione, presso il Comando dei >> > Carabinieri addetti alla tutela del patrimonio artistico, di alcuni >> > preziosi >> > oggetti che il Getty Museum ha restituito spontaneamente perche' > oggetto >> > di >> > scavi clandestini e furti. >> > "Non siamo gelosi del nostro patrimonio", ha proseguito Buttiglione >> > sottolineando che "riconosciamo il diritto a disporre di cose belle > da >> > parte >> > di chi ha avuto meno fortuna di noi. Comprendiamo che le grandi >> > istituzioni >> > straniere hanno il legittimo desiderio di esporre al pubblico > elementi >> > di >> > arte e cultura concentrati in maniera assolutamente sproporzionata in >> > Italia". Tempi e modi dei prestiti, ha precisato il ministro, saranno >> > dettati dalle necessarie trattative. "Siamo disponibili al massimo - > ha >> > detto ancora il ministro - ma siamo fermi solo su un punto: cio' che > e' >> > del >> > popolo italiano deve tornare al popolo italiano, anche se, ripeto, >> > siamo >> > disponibili a prestare per lungo tempo. Gli americani - ha concluso - >> > devono >> > tra l'altro sapere che i furti dei beni culturali sono spesso > connessi >> > con >> > la malavita organizzata. E anzi il traffico illecito di opere d'arte > e' >> > una >> > delle fonti di finanziamento del terrorismo internazionale". >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <http://www.beniculturali.it/news/comunicati/immagini/Img_reperti_Malibu/DSC >> > _0070.jpg> >> > >> > >> > ========================================================= >> > Important Subscriber Information: >> > >> > The Museum-L FAQ file is located at >> > http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed >> > information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail >> > message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message > should >> > read "help" (without the quotes). >> > >> > If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail > message >> > to [log in to unmask] . 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