I heartily agree with Sarah -- and I've been through hurricanes many
times, living in Florida (four last year). We can rebuild our homes,
but we can never replace history that's destroyed.
Linda McAllister, CFRE
The Florida Air Museum
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I don't think anyone's /not/ thinking of the people, too, but it's bad
enough to be displaced without losing a sense of your roots, as
well...else why do museums exist at all? They preserve our heritage, the
things we value. Especially when one feels as though one doesn't know
where to turn, a sense of history and of belonging can be very valuable.
I know when I'm in a strange city, I turn to its history museums for
comfort; when I'm unhappy, I go to art museums.
I mean, you might as well say that people shouldn't worry about their
family photographs or home movies. I know I have as much concern for the
beautiful old New Orleans architecture as I do for its people, and I
refuse to feel guilty about that.
Sarah
On 8/31/05, James Schulte <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
You know thousand of people have been displaced. Some being sent
to Texas
for month's maybe years maybe permanently and we sit here
worrying about
material things. These people right now have more on their minds
then
Historic Sites and Museums. Biloxi lost its Historic District
the only
building that may be saved is Magnolia Hotel. the rest are gone.
New Orleans
is about to be completely bulldozed from the reports I've seen,
and the
Governor has ordered a complete evacuation of the city. Instead
of worrying
about things far from their minds of these people, let's pray
for their well
being.
Peace, Love, and Prozac
Jim
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preface the
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Thanks, Shannon
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Western Oregon University is posting a position opening for 1/2 time curator of the Jensen Arctic Museum. For information on the position go to www.wou.edu/admin/hr/staff/S0556_curator.htm. For information on the museum itself you can Google Jensen Arctic Museum. You will go to the museum's home page which also has a link to a virtual tour.
This is a very interesting small museum with an excellent collection and a steady visitor-ship. It's good place for someone who enjoys all facets of museum work. There is also a strong connection with the anthropology department which provides an opportunity for part time teaching.
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I think that "administration" is too vague a term to be used helpfully.
Surely we need a different economics to discuss charity effectiveness
(which includes the effectiveness of charitable museums and other cultural
institutions).
For example, when I read that someone else will be paying the
administration costs, that means another charity or govermnent department
will be cutting back somewhere. If it's another individual or corporation,
it's a fudge. This is not the same thing as co-administration, which can
be cost effective.
Yes, when you are evaluating charities and charitable appeals, money in
does need to be part of the equasion, but unless a charity's sole function
is to distribute largess, money in and money out is probably not going to
answer the question. Thinking in terms of imputs, outputs and outcomes is
more difficult than thinking about money, but much more helpful,
especially, I think, for cultural organizations.
With best wishes to all, particularly those for whom the administrative
costs of their musum have paled into insignificance,
Pat
Cheers,
Pat
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Not at all off topic.
A discussion all day has been about how cultural organizations might
relate to the after effects of the latest (in a series over the last
few years) Gulf hurricane, and clearly one very important way is to
interpret the causes.
While there are surely other technical issues to investigate in regards
the devastation, such as coastal urban development and the simple chaos
of weather systems, clearly the major issue here is climate change.
Perhaps such interpretive efforts are not for a history center in
Ithaca, but there are others reading this list.
-L.D.
On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Shannon Lindridge wrote:
> This is an off topic(O.T.) issue please be considerate and preface the
> subject line with "O.T."
>
> Thanks, Shannon
>
> from generation to generation
> The History Center in Tompkins County
> Shannon Lindridge, Collections Manager
> 401 East State Street, Suite 100, Ithaca, NY 14850
> 607.273.8284 ext.7 (FAX) 607.273.6107
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>
>
> Published on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 by the Boston Globe
>
> Katrina's Real Name
>
> by Ross Gelbspan
>
> The hurricane that struck Louisiana yesterday was nicknamed Katrina by
> the
> National Weather Service. Its real name is global warming.
>
> When the year began with a two-foot snowfall in Los Angeles, the cause
> was
> global warming.
>
> When 124-mile-an-hour winds shut down nuclear plants in Scandinavia and
> cut
> power to hundreds of thousands of people in Ireland and the United
> Kingdom,
> the driver was global warming.
>
> When a severe drought in the Midwest dropped water levels in the
> Missouri
> River to their lowest on record earlier this summer, the reason was
> global
> warming.
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http://news.mongabay.com/2005/0830-new_orleans_aquarium.html
New Orleans Aquarium, Zoo escape Hurricane Katrina
mongabay.com
August 31, 2005 (update noon Eastern)
The Audubon Aquarium of the Americas in New Orleans apparently survived
Hurricane Katrina relatively unscathed according to a report in The
Baltimore Sun. Hurricane Katrina hit the Louisiana city Monday.
According to Ron Forman, president of the Audubon Nature Institute that
oversees the city's aquarium and zoo, only a few flamingos died and was
little other loss of animal life. The Audubon Zoo also fared well in the
storm.
Located along the banks of the Mississippi River in the historic French
Quarter, the Audubon Aquarium of the Americas has some 10,000 animals and is
considerd one of the world's foremost aquariums. Officials closed the
aquarium early to prepare for Katrina.
The French Quarter of New Orleans, built on the highest ground in the city,
suffered less damage than other neighborhoods.
Widespread power outages have disabled the Audubon Nature Institute and
Audubon Aquarium of the Americas web sites.
In neighboring Mississippi, the fate of a group of dolphins moved to
Gulfport is unknown. According to The Daily Telegraph, the animals were last
seen in a hotel swimming pool, but the storm left the town of 70,000 people
under 10 feet (3m) of water. The Gulport aquarium was totally destroyed.
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Based upon news reports, I believe that the Mississippi town of Ocean
Springs may have been largely destroyed by Katrina. I have been searching
the internet for any news about the Walter Anderson Museum there. If anyone
sees and information, perhaps they would post it. I am very concerned that
his works may have been lost.
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I must say that this person ("Unlisted") is one of several on this
list whose postings I automatically delete.
Adrienne DeAngelis
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> working with one of the institutions represented on this list and/or from
> time to time employing people from the same. there i wish to remain anon.
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I'm coming at this from a slightly different place...my son, a U.S.
Coastguardsman, is on his way to N.O. He was told that their mission there
would be:
1. Search and rescue
2. Body retrieval
3. Law Enforcement
4. Repair of aids to navigation
5. Maritime escort (escorting the first ships back into the port and into
the Mississippi)
Given the reported looting and gang activity, the toxic soup of oil and
industrial spills, and raw sewage, I'm very concerned for my son's safety
and that of all of our relief workers. It won't be many days before disease
also becomes an issue. The above laundry list of a mission also helps
illustrates what a long recovery it will be - Scott and his crew were told
with a wink and a grin to expect a 30 day deployment - meaning that they're
expecting it to be much, much longer.
Even after all the human needs are met, the toxic mess still remains. No one
will be allowed back into the area to start restoration work until the
toxins have been abated. (My other child is a maritime hazmat specialist.
She's already been contacted about consulting on a portion of the cleanup.)
:-)
I too, LOVE New Orleans. I'm a musician, and never miss a chance to listen
to wonderful jazz in New Orleans. My husband and I were fortunate to
recently spend a week there in a wonderful newly restored B&B on St. Charles
St. in the Garden Quarter. And we spent one entire day antiquing on Magazine
and Royal Streets. I'm so sad that all this may be gone. But I'm much more
concerned about the wonderful B&B Innkeeper, the antique dealers who
befriended me, the countless jazz musicians whose music I enjoyed, and the
thousands and thousands of folks who have lost literally everything - not
temporarily, but permanently.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned, is the recording of oral accounts of
this disaster. All of these stories need to be archived - this is truly one
of the worst disasters in history. I don't recall any other major modern
city being totally and completely evacuated.
Please join me in prayers for everyone involved, the victims and the relief
workers,
Becky Fitzgerald
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You know thousand of people have been displaced. Some being sent to Texas
for month's maybe years maybe permanently and we sit here worrying about
material things. These people right now have more on their minds then
Historic Sites and Museums. Biloxi lost its Historic District the only
building that may be saved is Magnolia Hotel. the rest are gone. New Orleans
is about to be completely bulldozed from the reports I've seen, and the
Governor has ordered a complete evacuation of the city. Instead of worrying
about things far from their minds of these people, let's pray for their well
being.
Peace, Love, and Prozac
Jim
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This is an off topic(O.T.) issue please be considerate and preface the
subject line with "O.T."
Thanks, Shannon
from generation to generation
The History Center in Tompkins County
Shannon Lindridge, Collections Manager
401 East State Street, Suite 100, Ithaca, NY 14850
607.273.8284 ext.7 (FAX) 607.273.6107
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Published on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 by the Boston Globe
Katrina's Real Name
by Ross Gelbspan
The hurricane that struck Louisiana yesterday was nicknamed Katrina by
the
National Weather Service. Its real name is global warming.
When the year began with a two-foot snowfall in Los Angeles, the cause
was
global warming.
When 124-mile-an-hour winds shut down nuclear plants in Scandinavia and
cut
power to hundreds of thousands of people in Ireland and the United
Kingdom,
the driver was global warming.
When a severe drought in the Midwest dropped water levels in the
Missouri
River to their lowest on record earlier this summer, the reason was
global
warming.
In July, when the worst drought on record triggered wildfires in Spain
and
Portugal and left water levels in France at their lowest in 30 years,
the
explanation was global warming.
When a lethal heat wave in Arizona kept temperatures above 110 degrees
and
killed more than 20 people in one week, the culprit was global warming.
And when the Indian city of Bombay (Mumbai) received 37 inches of rain
in
one day -- killing 1,000 people and disrupting the lives of 20 million
others -- the villain was global warming.
As the atmosphere warms, it generates longer droughts, more-intense
downpours, more-frequent heat waves, and more-severe storms.
Although Katrina began as a relatively small hurricane that glanced off
south Florida, it was supercharged with extraordinary intensity by the
relatively blistering sea surface temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico.
The consequences are as heartbreaking as they are terrifying.
Unfortunately, very few people in America know the real name of
Hurricane
Katrina because the coal and oil industries have spent millions of
dollars
to keep the public in doubt about the issue.
The reason is simple: To allow the climate to stabilize requires
humanity to
cut its use of coal and oil by 70 percent. That, of course, threatens
the
survival of one of the largest commercial enterprises in history.
In 1995, public utility hearings in Minnesota found that the coal
industry
had paid more than $1 million to four scientists who were public
dissenters
on global warming. And ExxonMobil has spent more than $13 million since
1998
on an anti-global warming public relations and lobbying campaign.
In 2000, big oil and big coal scored their biggest electoral victory yet
when President George W. Bush was elected president -- and subsequently
took
suggestions from the industry for his climate and energy policies.
As the pace of climate change accelerates, many researchers fear we have
already entered a period of irreversible runaway climate change.
Against this background, the ignorance of the American public about
global
warming stands out as an indictment of the US media.
When the US press has bothered to cover the subject of global warming,
it
has focused almost exclusively on its political and diplomatic aspects
and
not on what the warming is doing to our agriculture, water supplies,
plant
and animal life, public health, and weather.
For years, the fossil fuel industry has lobbied the media to accord the
same
weight to a handful of global warming skeptics that it accords the
findings
of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- more than 2,000
scientists from 100 countries reporting to the United Nations.
Today, with the science having become even more robust -- and the
impacts as
visible as the megastorm that covered much of the Gulf of Mexico -- the
press bears a share of the guilt for our self-induced destruction with
the
oil and coal industries.
As a Bostonian, I am afraid that the coming winter will -- like last
winter -- be unusually short and devastatingly severe. At the beginning
of
2005, a deadly ice storm knocked out power to thousands of people in New
England and dropped a record-setting 42.2 inches of snow on Boston.
The conventional name of the month was January. Its real name is global
warming.
Ross Gelbspan is author of ''The Heat Is On" and ''Boiling Point."
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Hello Pat: I read your message in Museum-L. New York State in a new regulation will require all museums chartered by the Board of Regents to develop a disaster preparedness plan. Does the UK have a model plan, or suggested elements for a model plan? Hopefully, available on the Internet?
David Palmquist
David W. Palmquist
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Dear All,
Disaster preparedness is a
"Big thing" in the UK at the moment, as all Accredited Museums will have to
have a plan written over the next five years. Many Regions are planning a
regional framework of response, but the East Midlands did this many years
ago.
The EM Museums Service work can't be easily transferred around the world -
not even to the south coast of England - but it's a helpful starting place.
I'd like to know of other Regional plans, and particularly those which
adress region-wide emergencies, such as hurricanes, fuel protests, and
animal disease outbreaks - and those which have business continuation
strategies.
Cheers,
Pat
Surrey Museums Development Officer
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In a message dated 8/31/05 10:44:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> The object is a marble slab that was placed by the fireplace during the
> 18th century. The maker was James H. Logan, a local Philadelphia figure
> who built the Stetson Mansion in Germantown, PA. The object was engraved
> with his signature and who it was made for, a Mrs. Slifer.
I'm wondering what is the background info that says it was placed by the
fireplace? I teach workshops in 18th and 19th century cooking. It would be unusual
to have marble as a hearth. Marble pastry surfaces are part of the cooking
process across many centuries, though.
Regards,
Jane Oakes
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The object is a marble slab that was placed by the fireplace during the <BR>
18th century. The maker was James H. Logan, a local Philadelphia figure <BR>
who built the Stetson Mansion in Germantown, PA. The object was engraved <BR>
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I'm wondering what is the background info that says it was placed by the fireplace? I teach workshops in 18th and 19th century cooking. It would be unusual to have marble as a hearth. Marble pastry surfaces are part of the cooking process across many centuries, though.<BR>
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Why would anyone ponder questioning Indigo, she puts more useful articles
and items on the list then most of us. Her efforts in the field should be
rewarded not questioned. I'm probably on that's automatically deleted
though.
Peace
Jim
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should be rewarded not questioned. I’m probably on that’s automatically
deleted though.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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We are receiving a number of requests from companies or individuals
interested in doing stories on ghosts at our historic house or clairvoyants,
or those interested in doing seyonces (sp?). Also it is one of the most
frequently asked questions from individuals on tour.
I would like to know what other sites, museums etc. do to accommodate the
above or do you discourage it. Do you incorporate it into the programming,
encourage discussion or allow filming for same.
I welcome any feedback!
Thank you
Marilynn Havelka,
Chief Administrative Officer
Ruthven Park National Historic Site
243 Hwy. #54, Box 610, Cayuga, ON
Canada N0A 1E0
Tel: 905.772.0560
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the offensive inquisitiveness and arrogance around this list is amazing...
> I must say that this person ("Unlisted") is one of several on this
> list whose postings I automatically delete
who are you? does anyone really care who you filter? or you "must say" you
delete
- or which "several" you delete? no.
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why question anyone here who isn't off base? the issue is the choice to be here anon.
some have taken it as a personal issue. when it is none of their business.
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Why would anyone ponder questioning Indigo, she puts more useful articles and items on the list then most of us. Her efforts in the field should be rewarded not questioned. I'm probably on that's automatically deleted though.
Peace
Jim
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<DIV>why question anyone here who isn't off base? the issue is the choice to be
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<DIV>some have taken it as a personal issue. when it is none of their
business.</DIV>
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probably on that’s automatically deleted though.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Funny, We just got a call for this topic to investigate the presence of
ghosts in the WWII German U-505 submarine at the Museum of Science and
Industry. Of course they said they felt a vibe when touring the U-505
submarine and want to investigate further. There is actually a lot of
museum lore about this as a former captain of the boat committed suicide
in the boat in 1943. I don't want to encourage this work, don't believe
in it, etc. but in my opinion this is a part of how this artifact
impacts peoples lives and could make for an interesting angle on the
interpretation of the artifact. At least document it instead of using it
in exhibit panels. However being a science museum we want to be careful
about how this work might be perceived.
I am not sure how we will proceed on this.
Sincerely,
Keith R. Gill
Curator U-505 and Transportation
Museum of Science and Industry
5700 S. Lake Shore Drive
Chicago, IL 60637
Direct line 773-753-6284
Fax 773-684-0026
www.msichicago.org
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We are receiving a number of requests from companies or individuals
interested in doing stories on ghosts at our historic house or
clairvoyants,
or those interested in doing seyonces (sp?). Also it is one of the most
frequently asked questions from individuals on tour.
I would like to know what other sites, museums etc. do to accommodate
the
above or do you discourage it. Do you incorporate it into the
programming,
encourage discussion or allow filming for same.
I welcome any feedback!
Thank you
Marilynn Havelka,
Chief Administrative Officer
Ruthven Park National Historic Site
243 Hwy. #54, Box 610, Cayuga, ON
Canada N0A 1E0
Tel: 905.772.0560
Fax: 905.772.0561
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Could you guys please knock this who is Indigo Nights
off stuff? I'm tired of explaining it, I'm not going
to defend it, and I'm not going to change it. What
I'm going to do, if this bull continues, is simply
find another hobby where people ARE grateful for the
uncompensated support they get.
Sometimes, there are just some of you I want to give
the Google Map directions to Hell
http://maps.google.com
FOR THE RECORD, I started on this list as Indigo
Nights, and nobody's protestations have booted me yet.
Get a freaking life.
--- unlisted <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> is 'indigo nights' a real name? i may well be a
> foundation executive
> working with one of the institutions represented on
> this list and/or from
> time to time employing people from the same. there i
> wish to remain anon. my
> ID is none of your business to be frank.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [MUSEUM-L] Katrina Museum News
>
>
> > Not today, but it looks like people are going to
> be homeless for some
> > time. In the aftermath of other disasters, people
> have found that visiting
> > cultural institutions gave them solace. Also, if
> you have children,
> > visiting a zoo or museum may be a distraction and
> something "normal" to
> > do.
> >
> > Is there some reason you do not identify yourself?
> > Pat Miller
> >
> > At 08:24 AM 8/31/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> >>personally going through hurricanes jeanne and
> francis
> >>i can tell you one thing - going to a museum is
> the LAST thing on their
> >>minds right now.
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene
> Dillenburg"
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> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:29 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [MUSEUM-L] Katrina Museum News
> >>
> >>
> >>>Something similar is going on in Houston.
> According to reports I read on
> >>>the web, all museums and zoos there are free to
> citizens of Louisiana,
> >>>Mississippi an Alabama through the end of
> October. A number of people
> >>>will
> >>>no doubt be out of their homes for quite a while.
> Nice to see the
> >>>Houston
> >>>museums pitching in to help them through it.
> >>>
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At a site I am currently consulting at, we actually have a parnormal
research going in.
-----Original Message-----
From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Marilynn Havelka
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:55 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Ghosts at historic sites
We are receiving a number of requests from companies or individuals
interested in doing stories on ghosts at our historic house or clairvoyants,
or those interested in doing seyonces (sp?). Also it is one of the most
frequently asked questions from individuals on tour.
I would like to know what other sites, museums etc. do to accommodate the
above or do you discourage it. Do you incorporate it into the programming,
encourage discussion or allow filming for same.
I welcome any feedback!
Thank you
Marilynn Havelka,
Chief Administrative Officer
Ruthven Park National Historic Site
243 Hwy. #54, Box 610, Cayuga, ON
Canada N0A 1E0
Tel: 905.772.0560
Fax: 905.772.0561
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Subject: position opening at the Met.
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My name is Sara Petitt and I am a Professor at FIT. I have an excellent graduate named Natalya Kayner who would be perfect for the opening deevloping Met products. She is a young Russian woman. She has no Visa problems. She is one of the most talented and cultures student's I have ever had in my program. I have taken the liberty of giving her your email. Should she have trouble reaching you please contact me if you would like her email.
Thank you.
Professor Sara Petitt
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From: G Moore <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Board Advice
I'm sure that this has been covered many times in the past, but I am in
dire need of advice on how to motive my museum board.
We are a new museum (less than one year old) and the board was very active
in the planning of the museum and the opening. They did not hire me, the
director until one month before the opening. After the opening, the board
has shown less interest in everything and I am having a very hard time
regrouping them. It's almost like they feel that since they've hired a
director, they don't need to do anything more - including fund raising.
(By the way I am the only full time employee.)
There's a long history of problems with the board in the past, due to
"control" issues between the board and the small-town government that we
have to deal with. There's almost a divide between some members due to
their "Loyalties." The priorities are not "what's best for the museum"
but "what's in it for me?" Some members have changed. However none of
the members seem to have any experience being on boards, especially museum
boards. And most don't want to learn about what their roles as board
members actually entail. For instance I have presented them with a Board
Committment Letter that outlines their duties at four different meetings,
and they never signed it. Recently,The museum has been awarded a grant
through a state agency that will help with board training, under the
condition that they approve a board resolution of acceptance. I have
tried for two weeks to gather the group together. (I naively thought that
they would care about the possibility of losing the $20,000 operational
grant. Silly me, I've been trying for four months to get have a regular
board meeting to no avail.)
I feel like I'm beating my head against a brick wall. I feel like I don't
have their support and there's nothing I can do to make things better.
Some of the members I can't get them to return my calls. There's only one
or two that will actively help with fund raisers that I have to put
together. I've even had my job threatened by a member due to the fact
that I didn't give in to their professionally unethical requests. Thank
goodness, I had the support of the board president on that case.
As a museum professional who has been in the business for 10 years, I am
so frustrated by the lack of interest and support. My feeling right now
is to find another job. But before I do, I thought I would reach out to
others in the field for advice as to what I can do to better this
situation.
Thanks for your help.
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Subject: Inquiry regarding Southern University in New Orleans
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I received the following message on another list regarding faculty from the
museum studies program at Southern University in New Orleans. If you have
any information, please let me know either on- or off-list.
Thank you.
Martha Katz-Hyman
********************
I am an assistant professor for Southern University in New Orleans in the
museum studies program.. I have not heard anything about my institution.
Have you rec'd any news at all about SUNO or our faculty?
Thank you
Julia Rose [e-mail address omitted]
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I received the following message on another list regarding faculty from
the museum studies program at Southern University in New Orleans.
If you have any information, please let me know either on- or off-list.<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
Martha Katz-Hyman<br>
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<p>I am an assistant professor for Southern University in New Orleans in the museum
studies program.. I have not heard anything about my institution. Have you rec'd
any news at all about SUNO or our faculty?</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
<p>Julia Rose [e-mail address omitted]<br>
</p>
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Hurricane Katrina Recovery
On this page you'll find information on disaster
assistance
and how to help victims of Hurricane Katrina and other
natural disasters.
You'll find links on:
-- Disaster Assistance for Victims
-- State Disaster Information (Alabama, Florida,
Louisiana,
and Mississippi)
-- Agencies Accepting Donations for Victims
-- and additional disaster resources
Get help or give help at
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You are right. There is a large number of arrogant persons on this list. You
are among them. I have set this address up as an example. Anonymity seems to
rob a post of all credibility doesn't it?
I'm sure that most professionals do not consider anonymous snail mail. Why
would we give anonymous email any more credibilty of attention?
Don't bother responding to this address...it was created only for this
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On 8/31/05, unlisted <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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You are right. There is a large number of arrogant persons on this
list. You are among them. I have set this address up as an example.
Anonymity seems to rob a post of all credibility doesn't it? <br>
<br>
I'm sure that most professionals do not consider anonymous snail mail.
Why would we give anonymous email any more credibilty of attention? <br>
<br>
Don't bother responding to this address...it was created only for this purpose and will be discarded.<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/31/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">unlisted</b> <<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">
[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">the offensive inquisitiveness and arrogance around this list is amazing...
<br><br>> I must say that this person ("Unlisted") is one of several on this<br>> list whose postings I automatically delete<br><br>who are you? does anyone really care who you filter? or you "must say" you
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