I honestly don’t know who the hell
you are but this response shows tremendous hate. You have serious issues sonny.
I was making a point to target anyone; I was using facts that have been of
issue for years. Sadly there are individuals who believe the holocaust never
happened, my point was to say lets disguise it so it don’t exist are
incorrect. Being an African American living through the 50’s and 60’s
I have sent he hate, I have experienced the hate, and I have witnessed it. Beyond
this I am not going to answer your ridiculous hatred. You have some serious
ideology problems this list cannot resolve, nor should it condone. I ask the
moderator to remove this asshole from our list
Thank you.
From: Museum discussion list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Nader Rastegar
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:34
PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Lesson from: Well,
I've seen everything else on this list, so why not this?
Mr. Schulte, I doubt what you say is correct.
However, I dare you to post the exact same posting and instead have
"Jews" as Target and "Judaism". Then I will believe
your sincerity and integrity of your intent.
Or better yet, post something about Christianity, and let us see how
much of an honest and earnest man you remain to be.
This is all a latent form of disguising your racism and hatred.
Someone once said that Americans love to hate something at all times.
They MUST have something to hate. Once it used to be the Blacks, Negros. Your soulmate, KKK!
Then it was Communism. Another of your soulmates, Sen. Joe
McCarthy. Now the Vogue is to attack Islam. So why not! This
is a sign of American Patriotism according to bigots and hate mongers.
You have a VIP place in that Club.
So, since it is Free Speech, hear this Sir:
"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at
hand." - Former Secretary of the Interior James
Watt.
Or better yet: "George Bush was not elected by a majority of
the voters in the United
States, he was appointed by
God." -Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin and this
man has sworn to uphold the Constitution?!
Or even BEST is this: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and
I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and
now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle
East..." - President
George W. Bush
This is all Free Speech Mr. Schulte! Tell me, how exactly
God gave that Mission to
President Bush? And how did our three star General Boykin received the
revelation that President Bush is above the Constitution?!
I hope you won't be repeating our Evangelical president's Saying:
"Either you are with us, or you are with
the terrorists." now, or would you?!
Remember, I can bring quote after quote of how cruel Christianity,
Judaism, Buddhis, Hinduism, .... can be. Free Speech for all, or Free
Speech for NeoCon Evangelical Christians ONLY?!
Don't enter this game. You will loose badly.
I urge you to take a look at all sides! PLEASE DO! I dare
you voice "another man's opinion" about African-Americans.
Hypocrite!
The hate comes from those who don’t
look at all sides. I don’t consider it hate, I considerate another mans
opinion, and he has the right to it. Please don’t talk hate with me Ive
seen it, experienced it and live within it.
From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Nader Rastegar
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005
11:28 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Lesson from: Well,
I've seen everything else on this list, so why not this?
Your comments are supposedly disarmingly convincing! However,
there is a very BIG catch to it, and that is Postings, such as Mr. Bottoms are
clearly hate talk sugar-coated for a Public which has been numbed down to
almost near total ignorance and bliss.
Your comments could have carried greater weight had you also addressed
how to avoid Partisan Agendas and the newly ascending Religious Extremism into
all these.
Over simplification of complex political and religious and other
agendas while simultaneously promoting extremism and hatred and fear mongering
to advance ANOTHER failed socio-political doctrine and ramming a hate
filled religious philosophy down the throats of the Professionals in the Museum
World are NOT addressed by your simplistic and very disturbing Posting to this
List.
What is next? Museums preserving the symbols of how a Whole
Nation was duped and numbed down to Atrocities? Turkey 1915, Germany
1930s, and USA 2000s springs into my mind as very good examples.
From whose perspective are you looking at? I refuse to surrender
the Flag and the Mantle of Patriotism to you or to Mr. Bottoms or to Mr. Pat
Robertson's zealot fans who constitute the ranks of our present
Administration!. And I have taken great offense at his bigotry and the
ignorance and the ensuing desire to justify such Hate Mongering that is hidden
well in it.
Please do NOT justify such Hate Talk! That is NOT
Tolerance! That is INCITEMENT.
Don't mimic the Sovietsque Scientists who would bend Science to fit the
mold of Ideology. This ascending Religious Extremism in the Sweet Land of
Liberty is a demented Ideology - we all witnessed a very mild outcropping of it
a few days ago via Mr. Robertson's comments.
Let us have UNIFORM Standards for ALL Humanity.
I don’t feel its non museum related, I don’t even consider
myself a liberal,
I look at all sides and both sides of an issue should be addressed. Imagine
trying to relate the atrocities of WWII without concentration camps, or the
Underground Railroad without reversing it. THERE ARE MANY SIDES TO EVERY
STORY, OUR FUTURE IN MUSEUMS IS CURRENT EVENTS, THEY MAKE THE NEXT MUSEUM
EXHIBIT OR MUSEUM THE ITSELF.
-----Original Message-----
From: Museum discussion list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Dusty Hibbs
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:23 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Lesson from: Well, I've seen everything else on this list, so
why not this?
I wish the number of replies this and other non-museum related discussions
were equal to the number of responses I've had when I posted a question
asking for help.
I am a recent graduate of a masters program and am now in my first
"real"
museum job. I look to the list for assistance from senior, more experienced
colleagues.......maybe I'm a naïve gen-xer.....
From: Rebecca Fitzgerald [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:36 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [MUSEUM-L] Lesson from: Well, I've seen everything else on this
list, so why not this?
Hmmm...it's very interesting that while Mr. Bottoms posted a quoted article
that is certainly controversial and expresses the purported opinion of one
retired general. But, Mr. Bottoms has not sunk to the depths of some members
of this list. I've seen posts that referred to him as a "creep" or a
"troll." Most posts dismissed him as a "mad ranter" or an
inflammatory
"baiter."
Mr. Bottom's post has actually helped expose a serious weakness of this
list, and one that prevents me from recommending it to my colleagues and
students. The Museum-L listserv is a very politically polarized list, very
intolerant of any views other than the extremely liberal one. Folks who do
express a contrary view are shouted down and characterized as bumpkins or
ignorant.
I belong to several successful history listservs that could serve as models
to this group. I'd like to recommend MARHST-L, a maritime history listserv.
This list includes members from every corner of the world, and every
political leaning. And because of the maritime content, politics and war are
necessarily part of the discussion. The difference is that these discussions
are framed carefully, respectful to ALL members, regardless of nation or
viewpoint. We would do well to emulate this list.
Successful listservs go beyond civility, to caring. I was in a meeting
yesterday with colleagues from Iraq and Lebanon.
The gentleman from Iraq
was
describing some of the country's internal problems that have resulted from
the war, and the ensuing poverty. He insisted on using his English, and used
the word "careless" to describe the behaviors of some of his
countrymen:
looting, robbing and mugging other Iraqis. His meaning was that they had no
love of their own countrymen. I've thought lots about his use of the word
and it seems to apply here. We don't mean to hurt with our words, but we are
careless...meaning that we have no love/concern for the folks who are
reading our posts.
Donning my asbestos suit!
Becky Fitzgerald
Susquehanna Museum
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