Holly,
 
I can truly sympathize with your experiences and many of us have had these  
frustrations and still do (mememememe). I was ready to give up on museum work  
after trying to secure a full-time permanent position for 8 years now (though 
I  first applied for a museum job when I was 17, back in 1979). Just last 
month,  after careful consideration, I decided that not only is museum work a true 
 passion, but I am good at what I do, I have dedicated an tremendous amount 
of  time and $$$$, and can't afford to change careers at this point  either.
 
I'm afraid you opened a can of worms with me! But anyhoo, I  totally disagree 
about there not being any jobs right  now. I have had several rejections this 
year alone -ok, I didn't get the jobs  but there are jobs. And we can 
anticipate even more  with the older baby boomers being on the brink of retirement. 
For some positions  I have applied for, I am at least retained on a candidates 
list so there's still  some hope for me.
 
I have competed against candidates who have even failed required exams. I  
lost out on one of these jobs to someone who never catalogued an object before  
whereas I have done 10's of thousands! Grantwriting - I have it. Public  
programs, I'm there. And I could go on about the well-rounded experience that I  
have.
 
So what's the problem? And I have gone over this a million times but  
recently I have been able to truly narrow down the issues (mostly, that which  are my 
personal doings or not doings) and have plans to deal with these  issues.
 
So here's a few things that I came up with, and they are based on my  
personal experience (with examples):
 
*Well connected: How else can somebody who has an  unrelated Bachelor's 
degree and no museum experience - who had flunked an exam,  etc., still get a 
$35k/year museum job with full bennies? Beating out 3 other  candidates who had all 
the qualifications and more! I have scored high (usually  upper 90's to 100% 
on these exams).
 
This is so important obviously! And just about everything else I am trying  
to do to better my situation is directly or indirectly related to this.
 
*Do what is required, and DO NOT go beyond and above  that!!!:  I am so glad 
I finally figured this one out  and am still working on putting it into 
'action'!
 
While I was still an undergrad, I was not offered work that others had  been. 
So I volunteered for a few weeks and busted my behind. I got the paid  work. 
I had suspected that I wasn't initially hired because I was a  
'non-traditional' student, being at the ripe old age of 31 and a single mother. 
 
When, after several months I found out I was being paid less  than everyone 
else and asked for a raise, the owner of the company told me  that the only 
reason she hired me to begin with was because I worked so hard.  She also told me 
that the reason she didn't initially hire me was because I was  different. 
Her reasoning behind this was that she needed retain a  camaraderie for her crew.
 
It was hard, but paid off for me - I got the experience I wanted (and a  
small raise though I was required to take on more responsibility), but  I had to 
tolerate being 'different'.
 
I carried this 'above and beyond' work ethic into my next job. For 3 1/2  
years I worked like this. I again found that the only reason why I got the work  
(and subsequent grants, contract work and opportunities) was because of my 
hard  work. Problem was, that other people were getting the same (pay, 
opportunities,  etc) and didn't have to do nearly as much.
 
Again, I made the best of it and wouldn't trade the experience for the  world 
except that:
 
Doing the 'extra' work can be stressful and start to affect you and others.  
Stay within what is 'required' of you and don't do the cleaning, refinishing  
furniture, grantwriting, etc., if it isn't what you and others are doing or  
expected to do.
 
Another reason why this is 'bad' is because it sets you apart from others  as 
a team player. I have had a few co-workers become  hostile with me, for one 
thing. And why does that happen? Because you  are working your butt off, and 
they do not want to! It is far  easier for them to make your life difficult for 
you, then it is for them to  actually do the work! In their eyes, you are 
making them look bad, etc so they  are going to make it their goal to do the same 
to you.
 
I know it sounds ridiculous but it is true. However, this should not happen  
in a professional workplace where you are working among your peers. In these  
cases, I was not working in a place with high or even good professional  
standards for someone like me who was not a permanent, full-time employee ('at  
will', temporary and/or working on contracts/grants). It is ok to work hard and  
over-extend yourself, etc., but wait until you are a full-time,  permanent 
employee.
 
Interviewing, skills and experience:  I am so  bad at interviews because I 
have 'stage fright' sooooo bad. I can make a good  impression otherwise, but as 
soon as I open my mouth -OMG! I stutter, stammer  and the lisp that I got rid 
of years ago reappears. 
 
Telephone interviews are the worst (I revert to my Massachusetts accent  when 
I'm nervous). I even had an interviewer (telephone, just a few months ago)  
ask me how I would be expected to talk on the phone with the general public if 
I  can't get through an interview! And trying to explain that I have spoken in 
 front of large audiences and I had extensive experience communicating via 
the  telephone....
 
Since most of the jobs I have gotten were for jobs I didn't have to  
interview for, it is important for me to connect with people who are familiar  with my 
work, etc. But these jobs aren't usually full-time, permanent positions  and 
that is what I am looking for.
 
Back when I 1st started college, I enrolled in a theater course in order to  
overcome my shyness and stage fright. I loved it and went on to act in several 
 other community theater productions, including one show where over 3,000 
people  showed up and another which was an award-winner ('Best production' and 4 
other  awards in a community theater competition).
 
I never got a part in a play from an audition. All the plays I acted in  were 
by invitation only (either I got the part outright, or I was invited to  
read). So much like the jobs I've gotten.
 
But this can only get me so far and I need to get all my cards in place. I  
am working on updating my skills (I've been out of the loop) and everything  
else. Now that I am over 40, I can also play the discrimination card (no sah!! I 
 don't think I would do that, but if it's blatant, I would consider it).
 
If I am given the chance, I am a real hard-worker and have a lot of skills  
to offer. Another thing I'm working on is my resume. Not to toot my own horn 
but  I have accomplished a lot and I am starting to have concerns that potential 
 employers may simply not believe I've done what I've done. There are 
overlaps in  the dates of my employment because I have worked 2, 3 even 4 jobs and 
projects  at the same time, etc. And there are other areas where I should 
embellish my  accomplishments and skills.
 
I am learning to cater my CV to positions I am applying for. If I apply for  
a job that doesn't require grantwriting - I'm thinking of leaving those off 
and  rather I should use the room to further explain the experience and skills I 
have  that they are looking for.
 
OK I have gone on way too long here and I could continue. It helps me  though 
to reiterate these issues and perhaps someone else can find them to be  
helpful!
 
If anyone is looking to further their education, etc., I will never  
discourage one from doing so regardless of my own personal experiences, etc. I  have 
looked into the public history programs at Trinity College and the U of  Nevada 
and am hoping to get a full-time job with some educational benefits so  that 
I can further my education. If you have the opportunity, etc., go for  it!
 
All my best,
Pam
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2005 10:22:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[log in to unmask] writes:

Normally  I do not respond to the list, but I feel that I should in this 
case.   Kathryn do not get a masters in public history.  Yes, I love history too  
and I also have a masters in public history, but there are no jobs right  now. 
 You've got to have a back up plan.  You may be able to find  something when 
you are finished with school, but there are hundreds of people  trying to get 
a job in a museum or library as well and it is coming down to a  matter of 
luck.  No I am not a disgruntled underpaid public  historian.  I am going to 
apply to get my PhD. so at least I can teach  what I love and volunteer in an 
museum, but I am lucky to do that because I  married somebody with an outstanding 
career.  I have been in museum work  for nearly ten years and just recently 
made it over the poverty level of  earnings.  I just do not want to see anymore 
people suffer because they  have high expectations when they finish school 
only to find out that they too  are going to have to work at a bookstore or home 
depot in order to make the  rent.






Pamela Silvestri, Museum Assistant
Northeast States Civilian  Conservation Corps Museum
Shenipsit State Forest
166 Chestnut Hill  Road
Stafford Springs, Connecticut 06076
(860)  684-3430

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