Robin, Out of curiosity, does the panel now occupying the conveniently blank wall say anything about the myth of Christian creationism, or is it more in the form of the standard "challenge". I personally do not see the staff willingly caving in as an improvement on being forced to do so. Conciliation to such demands is definitely not the direction to move. As has been said before, it is not a matter of competing theories, since creationism (or ID) is neither theory nor fact. It is a matter of the scientific community, of which the zoo personnel are a part, being asked (and apparently being willing) to present unscientific information in the guise of science. If presented properly in that context, then it is perfectly suitable. Unfortunately it normally is not. Mark Janzen Registrar/Collections Manager Edwin A. Ulrich Museum of Art Martin H. Bush Outdoor Sculpture Collection Wichita State University (316)978-5850 Robin Bartoletti <robinwb@SBCGLOBA L.NET> To Sent by: Museum [log in to unmask] discussion list cc <[log in to unmask] SE.LSOFT.COM> Subject Re: Tulsa Zoo 06/09/2005 01:11 PM Please respond to Museum discussion list <[log in to unmask] SE.LSOFT.COM> Listers - Actually, the board did not "order" the zoo to do this. This was an agreement of compromise reached by the board, the community members who wanted the display of creationism, and zoo personnel. Yes, the zoo does have an panels and representations that includes several versions of the creation Of the earth and occupants, from various sources including evolution, and depictions of animal gods and goddesses. It did not include creationism, (Why - because the gods are not animals - not bif conspiracy) which is being added to a blank wall that exists within the rest of the walls displaying the stories. Note also that the community members who are asking it be added are paying for the installation. "The pro-creationism folks say the door was opened by the Zoo when they put the info and icons on other religions in the Zoo." This is true, The original guy who brought this up at the board meeting did say this to the media, but the board meeting Was peaceful and a level headed compromise was reached. It is really not as controversial as the paper or the information is making it sound. The media is really hyping it up, but the issue is resolved.. Robin Bartoletti (yes I am in Tulsa and did attend!) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:04:51 -0700 From: Richard Fields <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Tulsa Zoo and Creationism Hello listers, Without going into the religious side of the discussion, I thought I'd bring this up to you folks. The Tulsa Zoo has been ordered by its board to install an exhibit on creationism. The zoo has an exhibit on evolution, but what really got folks riled was a hindu statue of an elephant (Ganesha), and a piece of art that says "the earth is our mother." The pro-creationism folks say the door was opened by the Zoo when they put the info and icons on other religions in the Zoo. There is info on the Tulsa World and Daily Oklahoman web pages, but you must go through the free registration process to read the articles. Cheers ========================================================= Important Subscriber Information: The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "help" (without the quotes). If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes). ========================================================= Important Subscriber Information: The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "help" (without the quotes). If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes).