Laura/Mark Our system has steam canisters that have to be replaced every 500-1000 hours at a cost of $250 plus labor. Sometimes they just are heavily covered in lime, other times it looks like they burned on the inside. Our supply lines and float on the condensate pump get mucked up and have caused flooding, too. The hvac contractor thought we could save some $ by going to the pan system. Susan P.S. Our unit is not actually in the gallery, but provides hvac for a gallery. It is located in the lower level mechanical area . _____ From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Laura H. Nightengale Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:52 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Liebert Units Mark/Susan- We, too, have a Liebert system serving our archives. All in all, it has been a huge and very expensive disappointment. Ours has the pan and, yes, there are 3 or 4 high intensity light tubes that heat the water in the pan to create steam, providing the humidity. Our water here is quite alkaline, so even filters on the supply line clog quickly, the lime builds up in the pan and on the float rendering the latter inoperable and causing flooding. Our maintenance folks hate the thing because it is so labor intensive and designed such that even minor adjustments entail major disassembly to enable access. I have provided enough donuts now that they kindly come by and check on it once a week. On the really bright side, I now have a lovely wet-vac parked right next to it at all times... Best of luck to us all, Laura Laura Nightengale Head of Collections Texas Archeological Research Laboratory The University of Texas at Austin At 10:27 AM 3/4/2005, you wrote: Susan, Our vault system is exactly the same kind of system. It replaced a pan system years ago, because the pan system started leaking. I was not here for that, but my understanding is that a pan system involves the air blowing over standing water insted of injection of steam into the air stream, as in the Liebert unit. I personally do not like the idea of standing water anywhere near my art, but I guess it would depend on where the unit is in relation to the objects. We too have to replace the filter periodically, but I would wonder if that is outweighed by the maintenance required for the pan system. Are your people suggesting that there will be a significant reduction in maintenance cost/time involved? Mark Janzen Registrar/Collections Manager Edwin A. Ulrich Museum of Art Martin H. Bush Outdoor Sculpture Collection Wichita State University (316)978-5850 Susan English <s.english@JOLIET MUSEUM.ORG> To Sent by: Museum [log in to unmask] discussion list cc <[log in to unmask] SE.LSOFT.COM> Subject Liebert Units 03/04/2005 10:19 AM Does any one on the list have experience with Liebert hvac units? We have a unit that provides heating, air conditioning and humidity to one of our galleries. We have the steam canister type. Since we run our unit continuously, the steam canisters get mucked up with lime deposits from the hard water and need to be replaced every 500-1000 hours. Our hvac contractor is recommending we replace the canister system with a pan system, which would require maintenance but not replacement. Any body out there have experience with Lieberts? Thanks. Susan English Executive Director Joliet Area Historical Museum ========================================================= Important Subscriber Information: The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "help" (without the quotes). If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes). ========================================================= Important Subscriber Information: The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "help" (without the quotes). If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes).