"History rocks. It's really cool to learn about the way they used to do things in the past." Ashton Kutcher >>> [log in to unmask] 11/07/03 11:26AM >>> Aha! A challenge. "We learn from history that we learn nothing from history." George Bernard Shaw Dann Hayes Grinnell College Grinnell, Iowa > ---------- > From: Nicholas Burlakoff > Reply To: Museum discussion list > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2003 10:17 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: "Enslaved" > > "History is the present. That's why every generation writes it anew. But > what most people think of as history is its end product, myth. > E. L. Doctrow > -------------- > Remember what Cicero (106-43 B.C.) said. > > "The first law of the historian is that he shall never dare utter an > untruth. The second is that he shall suppress nothing that is true. > Moreover, there shall be no suspicion of partiality in his writing, or of > malice." > > > That holds true, today. > > Dann Hayes > > > > > > ---------- > > From: Nicholas Burlakoff > > Reply To: Museum discussion list > > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2003 8:48 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: "Enslaved" > > > > Dann Hays writes: "Once we start putting 20th century (21st century?) > > outlooks on what was going on moe [sic] than 100 years ago, then we have > > lost the reason for developing the exhibits in the first place." > > > > First of all, there was no mention of presenting any historical item, the > > question was about a term-so this is a new thought that has little to do > > with the original question. Second, it all depends on what one is doing. > If, > > one is presenting a 1st person reenactment then obviously one uses the > > terminology and concepts of the time. On the other hand, if one is > > presenting a historical item in today's reality one will use today's > > language and concepts. In making a historical presentation one should > > explain the circumstances and context operational at the time, but one > > cannot escape the point-of-view of one's own time-nor would it be good > > history. > > > > It appears that many folks have a very naïve view of history. History is > not > > the recounting of facts of a particular time; that would be "chronology." > > The term "history" always implies a definite point of view, be it of the > > 21st or 19th century. > > nburlakoff > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On > Behalf > > Of Hayes, Michael (Dann) > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:03 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: "Enslaved" > > > > Just one thought in the discussion. > > > > If you are presenting an historical item on slavery, shouldn't it be > > presented as it was in the time period where the event took place? > > > > Once we start putting 20th century (21st century?) outlooks on what was> > > going on moe than 100 years ago, then we have lost the reason for > developing > > the exhibits in the first place. > > > > You can have some kind of scenario where the reference is discussed, > today, > > but I think it would be more worthwhile to use the basic terminology that > > was used in the era you are looking at. > > > > Dann Hayes > > Grinnell College > > Grinnell, Iowa > > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Deb Fuller > > > Reply To: Museum discussion list > > > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2003 5:31 AM > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: Re: "Enslaved" > > > > > > Hi Jay, > > > > > > --- Jay Heuman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > One poster provided a great example (Amistad) of how the slave trade > > tried to > > > > change those who were "enslaved" into "slaves." Enslavement is a > > process; > > > > slaves are usually the result of the process. > > > > > > That was a good point. But if slaves were born and raised in slavery, > were > > they > > > ever technically "enslaved"? I doubt slave owners went around and said > > "*poof*,> > > > you're a slave." It also implies that these people were free to begin > > with, > > > which they weren't. Thus using the word "enslaved" seems to give them a > > status > > > which they did not have. > > > > > > For example, a Roman legion captures and enemy city and all those who > > weren't > > > killed were enslaved. There I can see using the term "the enslaved > Gauls" > > which > > > implies that at one point they were free. > > > > > > But on a plantation where all the slaves probably had been slaves all > > their > > > lives, using the term "enslaved" gives the impression that they were > > something > > > other than slaves, which they weren't. I can see using the term for > early > > > American site where blacks were brought over from Africa and enslaved. > But > > was > > > a slave born to a slavery ever really "enslaved" at one point? Certainly > > not in > > > the way the first Africans imported to the colonies or a conquered > people > > were. > > > > > > > Looking at the etymology of "slave" (below), one sees the assumption > > that > > > > slaves are inherently 'lesser than'. To "enslave" is the attempt to > > impose a > > > > 'lesser than' status. > > > > > > Another good point, but again, you can't have a lesser status if you > never > > had > > > a higher status to begin with. > > > > > > Deb > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Protect your identity with Yahoo! 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