This is an amazing, and often appalling, string. First -- who cares about replicating this image with precision? Did you want a bronze version of a photograph? Or do you think that perhaps what we have here is a s-y-m-b-o-l; a symbolic rendering of the heroic actions of those who lived and those who died, but all of whom we New Yorkers count as heroes. New York is a wonderfully diverse community, and, to its credit, its Fire Department has over the past decades come to reflect that diversity. Is this monument to be a bronze memento of a great photographic moment? Who needs it?! The point is to memorialize the New York Fire Department, and the spirit of brave selflessness that its members have demonstrated. Second, to use a glib sobriquet like "pc" to dismiss the impulse toward making this symbol universal, and then think that you have said something profound is absurd. This is a limbaughism used to set the stage to snatch back the hard-won advances of the just struggles of women and people of color over the past couple of decades -- the centuries old struggles of people historically at the bottom and the back. Your intended dismissal is intellectually lazy, irresponsible, and that's the kind interpretation. We don't need another statue of white men representing all of humanity -- or all of the New York Fire Department for that matter. If this particular image meets more of this kind of backward opposition, no problem: we have many, many images of heroes in action, and we should pick a representative one. Oliver Hirsch Hirsch & Associates Fine Art Services, Inc. New York On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:51:12 -0500 "Feltus, Pamela" <[log in to unmask]> writes: > They picked Hayes because of his race? I didn't think they were so > p.c. at > the time. Plus, the same men didn't raise the flag every time and I > don't > think at the time they knew it would become the major icon that it > is. > Who knows though, as they were really into propaganda and symbolism > back > then, so you could be right. Could you get back to me > > But back to the NY firefighters statue- were the men in the picture > asked? > How would you feel if you took place in this symbolic act that has > become so > important and then you find out that because your race isn't p.c. > enough > you're being replaced by someone else? > > > ========================================================= > > Important Subscriber Information: > > > > The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > > http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain > > detailed information about the listserv commands by sending a > > one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The > > body of the message should read "help" (without the quotes). > > > > If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line > > e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of > > the message should read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes). > > > > ========================================================= > Important Subscriber Information: > > The Museum-L FAQ file is located at > http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed > information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail > message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message > should read "help" (without the quotes). > > If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail > message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message > should read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes). > Oliver Hirsch Hirsch & Associates Fine Art Services, Inc. New York ========================================================= Important Subscriber Information: The Museum-L FAQ file is located at http://www.finalchapter.com/museum-l-faq/ . You may obtain detailed information about the listserv commands by sending a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "help" (without the quotes). If you decide to leave Museum-L, please send a one line e-mail message to [log in to unmask] . The body of the message should read "Signoff Museum-L" (without the quotes).