Mark, I'm sorry that you felt the need to resort to condescension in your 
response.  I'm certainly not trying to goad you; I'm just trying to 
understand where you're coming from.  Additionally, I'm sorry to see that as 
far as you're concerned, there can be no further developments in this 
area--no possibility for error or revision.  That certainly isn't the 
approach to science that I learned as an undergraduate.  I find the notion 
of intelligent design (as opposed to Intelligent Design), whether natural or 
supernatural, to be intriguing and worth exploring.

Luckily, we can agree to disagree and probably neither of us will be worse 
the wear for it!

Take care,

--Eric

Eric D. M. Johnson
Proprietor
The Village Factsmith Historical Research & Consulting
http://www.factsmith.com/
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> Eric,
>
> Please pay attention. I shall reiterate for your benefit...
>
> ID can not be tested scientifically. It is faith, not science. The issue
> that is always ignored is that ID is a dead issue scientifically, as it 
> has
> already asked its questions and been shown to be empty of scientific
> meaning. There is nothing there to test, even if it were testable.
>
> That would be why on earth not.
>
> The fact that there are patterns in nature and that some people are
> confused into interpreting that as design is not supportive of the theory,
> which is why it was mentioned. In addition, the fascinating line of 
> inquiry
> is why people are so easily confused by ID, not ID itself. I apologize if 
> I
> did not make that clear.
>
> Mark Janzen
> Registrar/Collections Manager
> Edwin A. Ulrich Museum of Art
> Martin H. Bush Outdoor Sculpture Collection
> Wichita State University
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Janzen" <[log in to unmask]>
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>> Uuummm..No. There is no room for a serious scientific study of
> intelligent
>> design in nature.
>
> Why on earth not?  You say it yourself:
>
>> It is true that there are patterns in nature. It is true that those
>> patterns lead some to conclude that there is intelligence at work. It is
>> also indeed a fascinating line of inquiry.
>
> So why not pursue it?
>
> --Eric
>
> Eric D. M. Johnson
> Proprietor
> The Village Factsmith Historical Research & Consulting
> http://www.factsmith.com/
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