WELL MR WILLIS WE HAVE USED WHIPPING POSTS IN EXHIBITS HERE IN THE STATES,
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE
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From: "Rob Willis" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq donations


> I wonder if the Iraqi's are willing to donate the fixtures from the rape
> rooms and torture chambers to a U.S. museum, and if so, would you use them
> in an exhibit? How about a collection of tongue-cutters? Or would that be
> considered "booty"? I agree, this sort of topic should be discussed in a
> scholarly fashion, leave the knee-jerks at home, please.
>
> R. Willis
> Duq. U.
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>  > Date: 4/4/2004 1:07:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: Iraq donations
> >
> > --- ldewey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > The 'locals' - no doubt a term of endearment for those subject to
> > > occupation and trigger-happy soldiers - by all current accounts, are
> > > none to happy with their occupiers, so I doubt there's a lot of
> > > 'going-away presents' being offered.
> >
> > Speaking of offensive - this attitude needs to be taken of the list,
> > permanently. Some of those "trigger happy soldiers" are the husbands,
> wives,
> > fathers, sons, daughters, grandsons, grandaughts, best friends, or other
> > relations to people on this list. I'm sure they would appreciate it if
> you (and
> > any others who are thinking the same thing) would not demonize them in
> this
> > way.
> >
> > > However this sentence is especially offensive:
> > >
> > > >> The Middle East is full of
> > > >> ancient artifacts like the Western US is littered with Native
> American
> > > >> artifacts. People have been selling ancient trinkets for eons
> > >
> > > As a matter of fact, international law (remember that?) prohibits the
> > > removal, much less trade, of 'ancient artifacts' as well as 'ancient
> > > trinkets' including from Native American lands in the US. It does not
> > > matter one whit whether the artifact has been accessioned by a
cultural
> > > organization.
> >
> > Okay, wait a min here. You can drive down practically any road that goes
> within
> > 50 miles of an Indian reservation in the Western US and find "locals"
> (for lack
> > of a better term) selling arrowheads/projectile points, pot sherds,
> beads, etc.
> > etc. that could be anywhere from 2 days old to 2000 years old. Likewise,
> across
> > the Middle East, go into any market visited by tourists and you'll find
> someone
> > selling "ancient artifacts" which usually amounts to pot sherds and
badly
> made
> > knockoffs. You're telling me that everytime someone finds an arrowhead
in
> their
> > backyard or a someone in the Middle East stumbles across a piece of
> pottery,
> > it's illegal give it to someone or try and sell it to tourists? Please.
> If that
> > were true, then I'd wager most of the US and the Middle East is guilty
of
> this.
> > ICOM really needs to start cracking down on this serious issue.
> >
> > US soldiers are not going to come home with alabaster statues, cuneform
> tablets
> > or the lost treasures from the kingdom of Kush. If they're lucky, they
> might
> > find a piece of pottery walking along the road which will later be taken
> away
> > by inspectors as their belongings are searched before they leave for
home.
> > Sure, you'll always have a few profiteers as they'll always be around on
> both
> > sides of a conflict. But the most your average G.I. Joe is going to come
> home
> > with is a wad of Iraqi dinars that aren't worth the paper they are
> printed on
> > and a pack of Iraq's 52 most wanted deck of playing cards.
> >
> > Deb
> >
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