Good point and fascinating concept... use your own money (not everyone else's; seems to be a national issue... ).
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From: Museum discussion list on behalf of laurie williams
Sent: Thu 6/30/2011 9:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [MUSEUM-L] Settle an argument (ethics/ legal question)
I think that it is ethical to sell the book if the donor understood that was
what would happen to the book.
But just to put a different take on it, and I am assuming that museum employees
or volunteers who share your concern were at the event,why didn't you or the
director just put a $25 dollar bid on the book win it and then donate it to the
museum collection let the donor know and turn the PR situation around a bit.
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From: Cass Karl <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 9:22:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MUSEUM-L] Settle an argument (ethics/ legal question)
Grant- The donor knew that there was a possibility that the item might be sold
(he signed documentation that said that it "may be sold to benefit the museum"),
he was just disappointed that it brought so little (as was everyone) and
regretted authorizing that use after the fact. I don't blame him for regretting
it, and I don't argue that the whole situation was handled poorly, but the donor
*did* agree to that as an appropriate use for the object from the beginning.
As to the reserve, I don't know why there was no reserve. I wasn't here, but it
seems to me that the book did not have much monetary value, so establishing a
reserve would have been tricky. It seems that the director was counting on the
book's historical significance to our community to drive up the price. The book
would not have sold for even $20 outside our area.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Grant Gerlich <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Casandra,
>
>This is different than the scenario you presented. Yes that is a PR nightmare
>and unethical. Items donated to a museum should be accessioned into collection
>to be held in the public trust for future generations, educational purposes etc.
>etc. To accept items for donation that you do not intend to keep and plan to
>sell, although a deed of gift gives the museum the option, is dis-ingenious at
>best. I can see why the donor would be upset. Transparency is the issue here.
>Donors need to know what your policy is. Selling an item is the last resort and
>if you do, proceeds need to go back directly into the collection to purchase a
>better item for the collection or materials that will protect the collection;
>acid free boxes, shelving etc.
>
>In the process of Deaccessioning (disposing of an item that you no longer need
>or can care for), the donor or their family should be contacted first to see if
>they want the item back. If not, it should be either traded or gifted to a like
>institution. In reality, most items that a small museum would de-accession do
>not have alot of monetary value. The few dollars that you would receive from the
>sale the item is not worth the negative PR. Selling an item from a collection
>should be approached very carefully.
>
>
>Take care,
>
>Grant Gerlich, CA
>Mercy Heritage Center
>
>
>On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Cass Karl <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>More information, for those who wanted it...
>>
>>For the record, the event has already occurred (the object was sold)- so the
>>point is now moot, but we are revisiting the scenario because we are doing
>>another similar auction and the situation (or something similar) may occurr. It
>>was handled poorly in the first place (legal and ethical issues aside) and
>>created a PR nightmare, and I want to develop a policy/procedure for this type
>>of situation before it happens again.
>>
>>The situation was that a first edition book (c. 1930) by a local author was
>>donated to the museum unconditionally (meaning, according to the donation form,
>>that we could either keep it or sell it to benefit the museum). The decision
>>was made by the then director that the book should be put into the silent
>>auction at the annual fundraiser. This was controversial because we do not have
>>an original or autographed copy of that book in the collection, and the
>>collections staff argued that it should be considered for the collection first.
>>The Board supported the director under the assumption that the book would bring
>>a lot of revenue, which we desperately needed at the time. *However* the book
>>ended up selling for about $20 (less than the edition that we sell in our
>>store), which horked off everyone involved, including the donor (who was present
>>at the auction). There was talk of the donor trying to withdraw the donation,
>>or trying to pull the item from the auction, which just made matters worse. In
>>the end, the book was handed over to the winner of the auction and we don't know
>>what happened to it.
>>
>>It is my belief that the item *should* have been considered first for the
>>collection, even though there was no legal or ethical responsibility to do so.
>>I think that would have been the right thing to do. I am wondering whether
>>(before we have another auction) we should write into our collections policy
>>(and include on our donation forms) that all donated objects should/will be
>>considered for the collection first, unless the donor specifically states
>>another use. Some of the board/ staff members agree with this, others do not
>>want the use of unconditional gifts restricted in any way (they see the problem
>>more as a matter of what the book sold for than the procedure that led to the
>>sale).
>>
>>Does that change anyone's opinion?
>>
>>On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Joel Williams <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>>
>>If the person donating the object is doing it explicity for the raising of
>>funds, I don't see what right the museum has in keeping it. Offer to buy it,
>>sure, but I'd argue it'd be unethical to do something other than what the donor
>>intended.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Carol Ely <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>I don't have a source to cite, but here at Locust Grove we run an annual used
>>>book sale which has accepted donations of some quite valuable books. A
>>>professional book appraiser donates his services to us. When we see a book that
>>>is appropriate for in-house use, we move it either to the library, in the case
>>>of a book that is useful for reference, or offer it to the
>>>Acquisitions/Collections Committee for consideration, if it is suitable for
>>>display (a book that is old enough and of a subject matter that it could
>>>conceivably once been in the possession of household members).
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't know about illegal or unethical, but it's not a good idea to turn down a
>>>>free mission-related addition to your collection for simple revenue. Although I
>>>>suppose that's the position that many museums are in now, fortunately we are not
>>>>in that position.
>>>>
>>>>Carol Ely
>>>>Historic Locust Grove
>>>>Louisville
>>>>
>>>>From:Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>>Cass Karl
>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:34 AM
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Settle an argument (ethics/ legal question)
>>>>
>>>>Hello listers!
>>>>
>>>>I am hoping that someone on the list can settle an argument between myself and a
>>>>colleague...
>>>>
>>>>If an institution sells (say in a fundraising auction) an antique item (say an
>>>>autographed 1st ed. book) that was donated for the sale, but would really be
>>>>more appropriately kept for the collection, is that a) illegal, b) unethical, c)
>>>>neither of these, but still just not a good idea? Please cite a source to
>>>>support your position if you can.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>-Casandra Karl
>>>>Executive Director
>>>>Mission Historical Museum
>>>>Mission, TX
>>>>
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