I have been reading this thread and have had, like yourselves, many situations of unruly children. BUT I have had at least an equal number of adults and seniors with totally inappropriate behavior as well. Old ladies love to handle quilts, gentlemen try on precious old top hats, dismantle mechanical devices and teachers sit on furniture--with no regard for barriers. If children are controlled by parents or teachers, perhaps it is because they have so few boundaries and little consequence for actions. We have become a simply impolite and brash society in the name of freedom and political correctness.
Time Again Co.
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Topics of the day:
1. Job Title Inquiry (2)
2. Outdoor Brochure Holders
3. New Certificate in Art Collections Management, Registration and Display -
NYU
4. artifact sets and associated photography
5. Show us your uniforms--Win a paver!
6. Museum Barbie * Lost Da Vinci Verified * Picture Worth 1000 Links * Tiring
Museum Visits * Saucy Nell * Exceptional Squids * Old Bing, Bing, Bing *
Boiled Lobster * More! (2)
7. Children in Museums (4)
8. When is it acceptable to apply for jobs?
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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 14:31:23 -0400
From: "Britton, Kathleen" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Job Title Inquiry
Hi Ashley,
I'm a Collections Manager who's refered to as Curator of Collections by my employer (a healthcare system). When my positon was created, their logic for my title was that "Collections Manager" sounded like I was going to be managing the collection of past due payments. Semantics are such fun - best of luck to you.
Kathleen
Kathleen Emerson Britton
Director/Curator of Collections
Rochester Medical Museum and Archives
333 Humboldt Street
Rochester, NY 14610
(585) 922-1847 / [log in to unmask]
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Subject: [MUSEUM-L] Job Title Inquiry
Good Afternoon,
Recently, we were informed that our job title would be changing from Curator of Collections to something that is better suited to what we actually do. Our job is actually Collections Manager, but because we work for the City, we cannot be called a Manager. What I would like to know is are there any other Collections Managers out there that aren't called Collections Managers? If so, what is your title?
Thank you in advance,
Ashley
Ashley Stevens
Curator of Collections
Shared Museum Resources Unit
City of Ottawa
1700 Blair Road Ottawa, ON K1B 4E6
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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 14:14:18 -0500
From: "Wesley S. Creel" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Job Title Inquiry
Good Afternoon Ashley,
1. Pardon my ignorance, but what is wrong with using the term Curator? The term curator may be specific enough with museum work for your job title change request to fly under the radar. What do I mean? .......consider this...............when dealing with the HR Department of a government agency, be careful in the use of the terms director, administrator, manager, coordinator, etc...
2. For example, where I am now (a city government & private/non-profit contracted partnership).... the following terms have very specific meanings -- here are just a few:
2.1 "Director" (is appointed by the Mayor) and is the museum system's Director;
2.2 "Administrator" (works under the Director and is not appointed by the Mayor) and manages several departments within the museum system;
2.3 "Manager" -- manages a single museum department (supervises full &/or part-time staff, administers budgets and resources);
2.4 "Specialist" (a.k.a. Registrar, Conservator, Curator) -- performs professional duties, but does not supervise staff and does not have budget preparation, monitoring, and administration duties;
2.5 "Coordinator" -- performs para-professional duties......
3. When HR uses these terms, please be advised that the approved term will affect the pay grade..... so, be sure that prior to submitting to HR the job title, it is important to "de-code" your HR department's use and the impact of using various job titles.........
I hope this helps.
Best Wishes,
Wesley
Wesley S. Creel
Administrator of Programs
Pink Palace Family of Museums
3050 Central Avenue
Memphis, TN 38111
www.memphismuseums.org
Office 901.636.2370 new telephone number
FAX 901.636.2391 new FAX number
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Subject: Job Title Inquiry
Good Afternoon,
Recently, we were informed that our job title would be changing from Curator of Collections to something that is better suited to what we actually do. Our job is actually Collections Manager, but because we work for the City, we cannot be called a Manager. What I would like to know is are there any other Collections Managers out there that aren't called Collections Managers? If so, what is your title?
Thank you in advance,
Ashley
Ashley Stevens
Curator of Collections
Shared Museum Resources Unit
City of Ottawa
1700 Blair Road Ottawa, ON K1B 4E6
Telephone: 613-742-5551
Cell: 613-897-3708
Fax: 613-742-8994
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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:37:13 -0500
From: "Wesley S. Creel" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Outdoor Brochure Holders
Good Afternoon Megan,
Try the BING search engine and enter the key words "Outdoor Brochure
Box."
I hope this helps.
Best Wishes,
Wesley
Wesley S. Creel
Administrator of Programs
Pink Palace Family of Museums
3050 Central Avenue
Memphis, TN 38111
www.memphismuseums.org <http://www.memphismuseums.org/>
Office 901.636.2370 new telephone number
FAX 901.636.2391 new FAX number
Please consider including the Pink Palace Family of Museums in your
charitable giving plans
along with your other charitable interests.
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www.memphismuseums.org <blocked::http://www.memphismuseums.org/> Our
mission: The Pink Palace Family of Museums inspires people to learn how
history.science, technology and nature shape the mid-South. Through rich
collections, thought-provoking exhibitions, and engaging programs, we
encourage our diverse community to reflect on the past, understand the
present, and influence the future
From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Megan Austin
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:22 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Outdoor Brochure Holders
Can anyone recommend any outdoor brochure holders that can brave the
elements? We are planning a self-guided tour of historical sights on
our campus as part of our bicentennial exhibition and plan to place
brochures next to our campus maps.
Thanks!
Megan Austin
Gallery Coordinator
Hamilton College| Emerson Gallery
198 College Hill Road, Clinton, NY 13323
p 315-859-4396 | f 315-859-4060
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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:40:19 -0400
From: Geri Thomas <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: New Certificate in Art Collections Management, Registration and Display - NYU
New Certificate in Art Collections Management, Registration and Display -
New York University
Dear Colleagues:
For those of you who have been inquiring as to where to obtain training in
registration and Collections Management, I'm delighted to announce a new
professional Certificate in Art Collections Management, Regisgtration and
Display that I've developed with New York University's School of Continuing
& Professional Studies (SCPS), launching this September 2011.
This Certificate opens up a wide range of career opportunities in museums,
auction houses, galleries and private and corporate art collections. With
the expansion and growth of the global art and artifact market, there is a
growing need for trained specialists with the abilities to manage, display,
install, handle and care for diverse collections. The Certificate in Art
Collections Management and Display includes course work in art handling and
registration methods; documentation and collections management policies;
basic conservation and preservation; and examination and installation of
works of art and artifacts. Students will gain the expert-level
understanding and technical knowledge to work with collections of any size
and medium. Instructors include Stefanii Ruta Atkins, Head Registrar at the
Museum of Modern Art; Chuck Agro, Manager of Packing and Art Services at the
Metropolitan Museum of Art, myself, and other specialists.
This new certificate program joins a series of very successful professional
art certificate programs at NYU that each year trains hundreds of students
to enter a new arts profession or to advance within their existing
professional positions. Enrollment will begin on-line in July, or contact
Terry Shtob, Ph.D. Director, Arts, Humanities and Writing Programs, NYU
School of Continuing & Professional Studies 726 Broadway, 6th floor, New
York, NY 10003, 212-998-7253, for course fees and to register.
In the meantime, please feel free to contact me with any questions you might
have. I look forward to hearing from you and to seeing you at NYU in
September.
All best, Geri Thomas, President, Thomas & Associates, Inc., 212.779.7059,
www.artstaffing.com
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 13:45:55 -0400
From: Patti Davis-Perkins <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: artifact sets and associated photography
Hello Museum-L,
I am in the processing of drafting guidelines for the photography of artifact "sets". If anyone has any information concerning what constitutes a set for their museum and how they have chosen to visually document that set I would be most grateful to hear from you.
Thank you in advance for your consideration.
Patti Davis-Perkins
Patricia Davis-Perkins
Documentaliste de multimdia
Bibliothque, archives et services de documentation (BASD)
Muse canadien des civilisations
Multimedia Documentalist
Library, Archives and Documentation Services (LADS)
Canadian Museum of Civilization
100, rue Laurier Street, Gatineau, QC K1A 0M8
Tl.: 819 776 8456 Fax.: 819 776 8300
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 14:38:44 -0400
From: Hallie Jones <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Show us your uniforms--Win a paver!
Hi all,
The Golisano Childrens Museum of Naples is set to open in the winter of
2012 in Naples, FL, and we need some advice about uniforms!
Currently, we are trying to decide what our staff uniform policy should
consist of. There are two central questions that we are investigating: 1.
What should staff uniforms look like (as opposed to volunteers)? 2. When
should staff be called upon to wear uniforms?
To research this, wed like to ask fellow listservers the following
questions:
1) What is YOUR museums staff uniform policy?
2) What do your staff uniforms look like? Please, provide pictures!!
Here is some buy-in. Wed like to open this up as a competition! We will
look at all of the pictures and policies given, and our favorite
contestants museum will be awarded a free 8x8 engraved paver that will go
into the sidewalk surrounding the Golisano Childrens Museum of Naples
(Cmon). So, you can help out a fellow fledgling non-profit and get a prize
in the process!
If you are interested in helping us at Cmon (and would like the opportunity
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The Golisano Childrens Museum of Naples will be Collier Countys first
learning environment devoted exclusively to childs play, the serious
business of discovery that helps children attain hallmark milestones on the
journey into adulthood. Cmon will be a 30,000-square-foot museum for
families located in the North Collier Regional Park. Scheduled to open in
2012, the Golisano Childrens Museum of Naples is envisioned to be one of
the finest childrens museums in the United States and will be fully
accessible to all children regardless of their physical or learning
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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 10:50:52 +1200
From: Roger Smith <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Museum Barbie * Lost Da Vinci Verified * Picture Worth 1000 Links * Tiring Museum Visits * Saucy Nell * Exceptional Squids * Old Bing, Bing, Bing * Boiled Lobster * More!
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The international headlines
(FOR THE FULL STORY VISIT THE WEBZINE at this address
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edition include:
** Going to a museum is one of the more tiring things
one can do
In addition to the exhaustion, another museum universal is the
question: how long is long enough for me to stare at this piece of art so
that I have sufficiently absorbed its meaning before I move on with my
life? ** The Hitler Files: FBI Hunts Nazi Killer
The FBI investigated
claims that the Nazi leader had faked his own death, and the newly released
files show lab reports on Hitler's marriage certificate, will, as well as
other political documents ** Boiled Lobster
An iconic museum building
visited by thousands of Maine schoolchildren and tourists each year was
destroyed Wednesday night by fire
___________________________________________________________________
****
HAPPY TRAVELLERS - BEST FARES now a saucy portrait with lewd and lurid
symbolism that would have been instantly recognisable to 17th-century eyes
has come to light for the first time ** Museum Barbie
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 19:35:27 -0400
From: James Schulte <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Children in Museums
A close friend of mine (married, childless I should add) brought the
following to the attention of another list serve . I thought I would share
it and see how others deal with this or don't. Let the controversy begin..
My wife and I visit historic sites, museums and events. It seems that the
experience is often spoiled by the unruly behavior of children - from babies
crying to adolescents being...well...adolescent!
The concept of exposing children to historic and cultural things seems
wonderful in theory. Indeed, many sources for funding insist institutions
include kid-friendly components as a requisite for consideration. But I have
to wonder if in practice that the average child - for whatever reasons -
doesn't get anything out of the experience and often only ruins it for the
adults who actually appreciate the opportunity.
I know not every child is like this - I was always a history geek, even when
I was little. But several encounters with both individual families and
school groups at events and exhibits have made me question how we approach
this.
Now don't shoot the messenger, I have my thoughts as both an educator and
museum professional. I wanted to see what others think or do. Then ill post
mine in a few days
Peace
Jim
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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 02:13:21 +0000
From: Noel Knille <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Children in Museums
Hello:
As a parent I completely agree with your friends comments. But not only historic sites but art galleries even more so. The problem is not with the children but with poor parenting. How one addresses it....I would suggest for a museum to have posted behavior rules and for them to be enforced.
Museums and historic sites should be for all to appreciate, value and respect.
Noel
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From: James Schulte <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 23:35:27
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [MUSEUM-L] Children in Museums
A close friend of mine (married, childless I should add) brought the following to the attention of another list serve . I thought I would share it and see how others deal with this or don't. Let the controversy begin..
My wife and I visit historic sites, museums and events. It seems that the experience is often spoiled by the unruly behavior of children - from babies crying to adolescents being...well...adolescent!
The concept of exposing children to historic and cultural things seems wonderful in theory. Indeed, many sources for funding insist institutions include kid-friendly components as a requisite for consideration. But I have to wonder if in practice that the average child - for whatever reasons - doesn't get anything out of the experience and often only ruins it for the adults who actually appreciate the opportunity.
I know not every child is like this - I was always a history geek, even when I was little. But several encounters with both individual families and school groups at events and exhibits have made me question how we approach this.
Now don't shoot the messenger, I have my thoughts as both an educator and museum professional. I wanted to see what others think or do. Then ill post mine in a few days
Peace
Jim
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 23:20:24 -0400
From: Adrienne Meraz <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Children in Museums
Hi James,
I've had the unfortunate experience of working at an event where a child was
rolling around the art gallery with a pair of those sneakers with wheels on
them. Not only was I worried about the artworks, I also knew that there was
a possibility that she could trip and fall on the uneven floor. No one was
saying anything! I finally couldn't take it any longer and I went up to the
kid and told them to stop. I also told the mom that she needed to control
her child.
I still feel that was the right thing to do. I must have reached a boiling
point, because I have no trouble telling adults and children how they should
act in a museum/gallery. I agree with Noel-- the parents need to set a good
example. Museums and historical sites have been essential to my development
as a young professional, and I would hate for anyone's experience to be
marred by a cell phone or an unruly kid. Museum guards do a great job when
they're around, as well as undercover tattletails like myself.
Adrienne
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Noel Knille <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hello:
>
> As a parent I completely agree with your friends comments. But not only
> historic sites but art galleries even more so. The problem is not with the
> children but with poor parenting. How one addresses it....I would suggest
> for a museum to have posted behavior rules and for them to be enforced.
>
> Museums and historic sites should be for all to appreciate, value and
> respect.
>
> Noel
> Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Vodafone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Schulte <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 23:35:27
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [MUSEUM-L] Children in Museums
>
> A close friend of mine (married, childless I should add) brought the
> following to the attention of another list serve . I thought I would share
> it and see how others deal with this or don't. Let the controversy begin..
>
> My wife and I visit historic sites, museums and events. It seems that the
> experience is often spoiled by the unruly behavior of children - from babies
> crying to adolescents being...well...adolescent!
>
> The concept of exposing children to historic and cultural things seems
> wonderful in theory. Indeed, many sources for funding insist institutions
> include kid-friendly components as a requisite for consideration. But I have
> to wonder if in practice that the average child - for whatever reasons -
> doesn't get anything out of the experience and often only ruins it for the
> adults who actually appreciate the opportunity.
>
> I know not every child is like this - I was always a history geek, even
> when I was little. But several encounters with both individual families and
> school groups at events and exhibits have made me question how we approach
> this.
>
> Now don't shoot the messenger, I have my thoughts as both an educator and
> museum professional. I wanted to see what others think or do. Then ill post
> mine in a few days
> Peace
> Jim
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 20:20:38 -0700
From: Melanie C King <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: When is it acceptable to apply for jobs?
Hey everyone,
I'm trying to figure out when it is an okay time to start applying for jobs.
I'm graduating in December with a BA in Anthropology and after some research
found out that some times the process between submitting the application to
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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 11:34:22 +0800
From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Children in Museums
Take to the tomb of the unknown and see how even the youngest is treated for environmentally inappropriate behavior. Think some child behavior is acceptable and should be tolerated. Some is bad parenting and should be addressed in a nice polite way like the rules are being broken please follow the rules.
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Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 07:35
A close friend of mine (married, childless I should add) brought the following to the attention of another list serve . I thought I would share it and see how others deal with this or dont. Let the controversy begin.. My wife and I visit historic sites, museums and events. It seems that the experience is often spoiled by the unruly behavior of children - from babies crying to adolescents being...well...adolescent! The concept of exposing children to historic and cultural things seems wonderful in theory. Indeed, many sources for funding insist institutions include kid-friendly components as a requisite for consideration. But I have to wonder if in practice that the average child - for whatever reasons - doesn't get anything out of the experience and often only ruins it for the adults who actually appreciate the opportunity. I know not every child is like this - I was always a history geek, even when I was little. But several encounters with both individual families and school groups at events and exhibits have made me question how we approach this. Now dont shoot the messenger, I have my thoughts as both an educator and museum professional. I wanted to see what others think or do. Then ill post mine in a few daysPeaceJim
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