Richard,
Thank you for posting this on the list. I agree that the images of this
mural may offend some people, but these murals provide a historical
context of our nation. Many Post Office murals of the time depicted
scenes that empowered communities. In small communities around the
country, images of local industry and heritage engendered the
population.
The bigger question is how do you make art in a democracy? Competing
agendas must be heard. Democracy will only move forward if differences
are respected. The very fact that this discussion is brought to light
is a true testament of democracy.
Covering up the mural would be like covering up an uncomfortable
historical context. It is important to remember the past so that we can
learn and make a better future.
Patricia Relay
Program Manager
Washington Art Consortium
"In times of crisis, it is to art that one can turn to find the center
of a society. Societies are not remembered by their battlements, but by
their art. Art is an essential reminder of what it is in life that
lasts, of why one lives. Art communicates, clarifies, mourns and
remembers. What else in our lives can do this?" -- Bella Lewitzky
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1. World War I Posters (3)
2. Smithsonian Poll Results (2)
3. Outdoor Signs
4. Classifieds for museums ? (4)
5. Dangers of the Mail Mural
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 03:18:54 -0400
From: "S.K. Gill-Sitoski" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: World War I Posters
The Canadian War Museum just had an exhibit called
"Weapons of Mass Dissemination : The Propaganda of
War". It focused on the First and Second World Wars
and the Spanish Civil War. The exhibition was
developed by the Wolfsonian-Florida International
University, to which the Canadian War Museum added a
Canadian Wartime Propaganda component. Sorry, I do
not know who the curators were though.
--- Lonn Taylor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Can anyone on the list suggest institutions that
> have done exhibits of World
> War I posters or provide the names of curators with
> special expertise in
> this area? I have been asked to advise a major
> public library with a
> collection of these posters on doing an exhibit and
> I would like to put them
> in touch with an expert in the field.
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> Thanks,
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> Lonn Taylor
> Fort Davis, Texas
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:09:06 -0400
From: Dan Prives <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Smithsonian Poll Results
Poll Results: Smithsonian Admissions
Two out of three don't want to see an admission charge, but when
different levels of admission charge are offered, the responses get
interesting.
http://www.wheremostneeded.org/2006/07/poll_results_sm.html
WMN Poll: Charging Admission for the Smithsonian
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:28:48 -0400
From: Keni Sturgeon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Outdoor Signs
The Desert Botanical Garden in Phoenix installed new outdoor signage in
the mid-90s and I believe they were very happy with the results. I'm
sorry but I don't know the name of the company they used, but if you
contact the Garden's education or exhibits staff, they should be able to
talk about the signs with you.
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Good luck and hope this helps,
Keni Sturgeon
Haffenreffer Museum of Anthropology
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Subject: Re: Outdoor Signs
> Pannier has done several sites I work with; all signs have lasted
> and are in
> great shape. We have extreme weather patterns here in South
> Jersey, rain,
> snow heat, humidity etc
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> We have colorful, outdoor interpretive signs on the Battleship
> North
> Carolina located in Wilmington, NC, where it is very hot and humid
> in the
>
> summer. We recently installed signs by Folia and are pleased with
> the
> results, except for color matching. The price is not cheap either.
> A loca
> l
> company, however, is suggesting using an alumi-core product for
> additional
> outdoor signs. Has anyone used this particular product outside?
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:23:28 -0700
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Subject: Classifieds for museums ?
I trying to find somewhere where I can sell a painting
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:26:34 -0400
From: Anne Svonavec <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Smithsonian Poll Results
I participated in the poll and noticed that the first question was "Do
you think there should be a fee?" And if you answered no, it asked you
"What do you think the fee should be or what would you pay as the fee?"
The poll is a little skewed as it forced those who didn't think there
should be a fee to pick a fee starting at $5.
Anne Draghi Svonavec, MSW, LSW
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Please Touch Museum
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Subject: [MUSEUM-L] Smithsonian Poll Results
Poll Results: Smithsonian Admissions
Two out of three don't want to see an admission charge, but when
different levels of admission charge are offered, the responses get
interesting.
http://www.wheremostneeded.org/2006/07/poll_results_sm.html
WMN Poll: Charging Admission for the Smithsonian
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:09:24 -0400
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Subject: Re: Classifieds for museums ?
Luc,
We might be interested in taking them off your hands. E-mail me off list
please.
Heidi Campbell-Shoaf, Curator
Historical Society of Frederick County
24 East Church Street
Frederick, Md. 21701
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Subject: Classifieds for museums ?
I trying to find somewhere where I can sell a painting
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:39:47 -0500
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Subject: Re: Classifieds for museums ?
Hi Luc,
A couple years ago we were successful at getting rid of some unwanted
art storage racks through AAM's collections exchange center. We just
posted a classified ad, of sorts, under the miscellaneous category.
Before long, we had a taker.
Cristin J. Waterbury
Registrar/Collections Manager
Wisconsin Maritime Museum
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:40:29 -0500
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Subject: Re: Classifieds for museums ?
Do you have info on the storage rack system such as
size/dimensions/price,
etc.? Where is it located?
Thanks,
Sharon Maguire
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:00:03 -0700
From: Brad Holderman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: World War I Posters
To add, I believe, there is an online portion of their
exhibit at:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/awpnp6/posters.html
Cheers,
Brad
--- Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> US Library of Congress also has a collection of WWI
> posters. I've done
> an exhibit on the Red Cross knitting ones. My fav
> one is one for the
> navy with a woman dressed up as a sailor. It says,
> "Gee I wish I were
> a man. I'd join the Navy." It's very cute.
>
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> deb
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> On 7/16/06, Star Meyer
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> > Regarding WWI posters, you also might try the
> Imperial War Museum in London.
> > Just checked the site (http://www.iwm.org.uk/); it
> has 15,000 posters.
> > Please keep us (or, at least, me) informed, as
> this is a marvelous topic for
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> insights.
> >
> > Best regards,
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:01:25 -0700
From: Brad Holderman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: World War I Posters
Sorry, that link should be a bit more precise at:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/awpnp6/worldwars.html
Brad
--- Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> US Library of Congress also has a collection of WWI
> posters. I've done
> an exhibit on the Red Cross knitting ones. My fav
> one is one for the
> navy with a woman dressed up as a sailor. It says,
> "Gee I wish I were
> a man. I'd join the Navy." It's very cute.
>
http://artwork.barewalls.com/artwork/product.html?PRODUCTID=108963
>
> deb
>
> On 7/16/06, Star Meyer
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Regarding WWI posters, you also might try the
> Imperial War Museum in London.
> > Just checked the site (http://www.iwm.org.uk/); it
> has 15,000 posters.
> > Please keep us (or, at least, me) informed, as
> this is a marvelous topic for
> > the mind and eyes. Fantastic graphics and possible
> insights.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
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I was reading the Boing, Boing blog today, and it mentions the EPA's
possibly removing the Dangers of the Mail mural in the headquarters
building (1937, Frank Albert Menchau, Jr.). The mural was a Works
Projects Administration effort during the Great Depression. The removal
centers on the racist nature of the mural in its depiction of Native
Americans. They are shown scalping and attacking White women and
stabbing White males in the back.
Most Native Americans (including me) would find such imagery offensive
and degrading, but it brings an educational opportunity for showing the
racism and hatred Native Americans have endured. That said, I really
understand why some folks want it gone.
According to Boing, Boing, the GSA is looking at six murals, and is
recieving public input under the National Historic Preservation Act. For
those interested in reading the article, and its embedded links, the url
is http://www.boingboing.net/ and the article is about a third of the
way down the page.
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<div>I was reading the Boing, Boing blog today, and it mentions the
EPA's possibly removing the Dangers of the Mail mural in the
headquarters building (1937, Frank Albert Menchau, Jr.). The mural
was a Works Projects Administration effort during the Great
Depression. The removal centers on the racist nature of the mural
in its depiction of Native Americans. They are shown scalping and
attacking White women and stabbing White males in the
back. </div> <div> </div> <div>Most Native Americans
(including me) would find such imagery offensive and degrading, but
it brings an educational opportunity for showing the racism and
hatred Native Americans have endured. That said, I really understand why
some folks want it gone.</div> <div> </div> <div>According to
Boing, Boing, the GSA is looking at six murals, and is recieving public
input under the National Historic Preservation Act. For those interested
in reading the article, and its embedded
links, the url is <A
href="http://www.boingboing.net/">http://www.boingboing.net/</A> an
d the article is about a third of the way down the
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:58:15 -0600
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Subject: University Art Museums
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:04:10 -0700
From: Lucy Sperlin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: museum-L down?
I haven't received any museum-L messages for two whole days. That is
unprecedented. Is the service down or is everyone just on vacation.
Lucy
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From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
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Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Conservation Horror Stories
Here's my contribution to the esoteric subject of "conservation horror
stories involving chests"--the following occurred at a historical museum
where I volunteered back in the 1980s:
A curator was approached by a member of the public who had an old wooden
chest with important provenance. In hopes of identifying the type of
chest,
the curator asked some detailed questions about the hardware. A few days
later, the owner walked into the museum and presented the curator with a
small cardboard box. Inside was all the brass hardware--carefully CUT
from
the crest. The owner said that he had gotten the impression that the
only
thing of value about the chest was the hardware, so he cut it off and
took
the wooden pieces to the dump. Luck would have it that the pieces were
still
there when the curator and owner went back for them. The fittings were
reunited with the chest, the saw kerfs filled with colored wax, and the
reassembled chest was donated.
Steve Henrikson
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From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
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Of VivianLea Stevens
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:43 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Conservation Horror Stories
Sure....how about one from my family (which I'm only willing to share
because my Grandmother, who committed the conservation faux pas, is no
longer with us.)
As I was starting my graduate work in American Studies (concentration in
Material Culture), I decided to inquire about the fabled blanket chest
that
had gone with my ancestors from England to Holland and then to America.
My
Grandmother, who I was visiting at the time, said, "Oh, that's the chest
at
the end of my bed." "But Grandmother, that's a plain wooden chest,
given
the date you've told me, it most likely would have been painted, not
varnished/shellacked as yours is." "Oh...it used to be painted a dark
hunter green and had initials and a date painted in white beneath the
keyhole. I just couldn't live with that color so I had it stripped."
After I stopped hyperventilating, realizing that my Grandmother had
RUINED
the one piece of 18th century anything on either side of my family, I
said,
"Grandmother, do you realize that was probably the original paint?"
"Oh, it
couldn't be," she said so confidently. "But at any rate, when they
refinished it, I had them put the information on the bottom of the
chest."
Well, I never thought anything about it, twenty years go by, and then
the
chest came to me after her death. I asked the movers to put the chest
up on
my bed so I could see the initials and date. To my extreme horror and
ultimate amusement...instead of seeing the information PENCILLED on the
bottom of the chest, it had been routed into the wood with a large
router!?!? What could I do but laugh at that point? At least I have
the
chest, with its original hardware and key intact...even if I don't have
the
original finish. <sigh>
Hope this fed the need for a good horror story!?!
Best, VivianLea Stevens
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:10:20 -0400
From: james schulte <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: museum-L down?
I'm here
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Subject: museum-L down?
I haven't received any museum-L messages for two whole days. That is
unprecedented. Is the service down or is everyone just on vacation.
Lucy
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Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Conservation Horror Stories
Here's my contribution to the esoteric subject of "conservation horror
stories involving chests"--the following occurred at a historical museum
where I volunteered back in the 1980s:
A curator was approached by a member of the public who had an old wooden
chest with important provenance. In hopes of identifying the type of
chest,
the curator asked some detailed questions about the hardware. A few days
later, the owner walked into the museum and presented the curator with a
small cardboard box. Inside was all the brass hardware--carefully CUT
from
the crest. The owner said that he had gotten the impression that the
only
thing of value about the chest was the hardware, so he cut it off and
took
the wooden pieces to the dump. Luck would have it that the pieces were
still
there when the curator and owner went back for them. The fittings were
reunited with the chest, the saw kerfs filled with colored wax, and the
reassembled chest was donated.
Steve Henrikson
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From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf
Of VivianLea Stevens
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:43 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Conservation Horror Stories
Sure....how about one from my family (which I'm only willing to share
because my Grandmother, who committed the conservation faux pas, is no
longer with us.)
As I was starting my graduate work in American Studies (concentration in
Material Culture), I decided to inquire about the fabled blanket chest
that
had gone with my ancestors from England to Holland and then to America.
My
Grandmother, who I was visiting at the time, said, "Oh, that's the chest
at
the end of my bed." "But Grandmother, that's a plain wooden chest,
given
the date you've told me, it most likely would have been painted, not
varnished/shellacked as yours is." "Oh...it used to be painted a dark
hunter green and had initials and a date painted in white beneath the
keyhole. I just couldn't live with that color so I had it stripped."
After I stopped hyperventilating, realizing that my Grandmother had
RUINED
the one piece of 18th century anything on either side of my family, I
said,
"Grandmother, do you realize that was probably the original paint?"
"Oh, it
couldn't be," she said so confidently. "But at any rate, when they
refinished it, I had them put the information on the bottom of the
chest."
Well, I never thought anything about it, twenty years go by, and then
the
chest came to me after her death. I asked the movers to put the chest
up on
my bed so I could see the initials and date. To my extreme horror and
ultimate amusement...instead of seeing the information PENCILLED on the
bottom of the chest, it had been routed into the wood with a large
router!?!? What could I do but laugh at that point? At least I have
the
chest, with its original hardware and key intact...even if I don't have
the
original finish. <sigh>
Hope this fed the need for a good horror story!?!
Best, VivianLea Stevens
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:43:02 +0800
From: Jyue Tyan LOW <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Museum in San Francisco about Chinese immigrants
Hello,
A friend of mine has asked if I know of a Museum on Chinese immigrants
in
San Francisco. I told her that I wasn't sure and will find out for her.
She recalled reading about one in a newspaper (?) but couldn't remember
the
details and tried to no avail when he did a search on the internet.
Can anyone here help?
The family (from Hong Kong) is going to SF for about 3 weeks and wants
to
bring their kid on a tour to the museum.
Appreciate if someone can give me the website or information on the Name
and location of the museum or if there are any such museums with this
focus.
Thanks very much.
Low Jyue Tyan
Asst Registrar
Heritage Conservation Centre
National Heritage Board, Singapore
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