Hello again everyone

Since I put the original question out there about jobs in the UK I would
like to put in my two cents worth about going to school there.  I know a
little more about this because my best friend just received her masters
degree at St. Andrews University in Scotland.  Apparantly the UK passed a
new law (last year?) that says that students outside the EU may work part
time while they go to school.  She is an American citizen and worked legally
at an art gallery.  However, this was just spending money.  She did have to
take out a large loan to finance her education.
I hope this helps
Thank you for all of the advice about jobs.  I guess I won't be going there
anytime soon.
Christian Trabue
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>From: Adrienne DeAngelis <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Museum discussion list <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: jobs in the UK (and schools)
>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:41:17 -0700
>
>Hello--
>         Most UK universities now have Web sites, which can be very helpful
>in finding about their various museum programs.  A convenient listing of
>these universities can be found at yahoo.com, under Education.  Also, I
>have put together a list of M.A. programs outside the U.S in the general
>area of art history, including museum studies.  It's not exhaustive, but
>should give the curious a good idea of what getting a foreign degree
>involves.  Find this at: (darkwing.uoregon.edu/~acd/site2/)
>         People have been responding to these questions with excellent, if
>rather sobering information about the near-impossibility of getting a job
>in Britain--or anywhere else in the E.U.  I'd just like to add that while
>we U.S. citizens (and other non-E.U. types) are not wanted as workers we
>are much appreciated as students, perhaps in part because we pay 2.5 times
>the amount of tuition, at least at the U. of London (Courtauld Inst.)
>There is no financial aid for foreign students, and prospective students
>should be careful about depending upon making important friendships--we're
>there because we pay big bucks and so help to keep down the overcrowding.
>         Anyone who wishes to attend university in non-English language
>countries
>will almost always have to go through an application process even more
>intense than for the UK. For Italy, p.e., one must take a special language
>test which is apparently difficult--although there are now schools there
>to teach you how to pass the test.  Most continental universities, while
>cheap, are extremely overcrowded.  Also, while the UK used to be the
>strictest about adherence to visa requirements, this is now also the case
>for France, Germany, Italy, and probably every other country in Europe.
>The arriving student may well be required to give evidence of having
>enough money to stay for the academic year.  This has long been a
>requirement for foreign students coming to study in the U.S.
>         Finally, in terms of supporting oneself overseas, the folks I've
>found who've been most successful have been skilled cooks, gardeners,
>bicycle and auto repairers. If you're really good at one of these, and
>make the right connections, you may be able to get an illegal job (you'd
>never get hired legally for any these, any more than for museum work),
>for which you will be paid less than the locals, but enough to allow you
>to live, at a ramen-macaroni (or local variant) level for about as long as
>you can stand it.  If you get caught without the proper visa or work
>permit, you very likely will be deported.
>   However, a graduate degree from a well-thought of foreign university can
>be a big help on the old resume; for those who wish to indulge in the
>ritual self-mortification of the PhD, this can help one's application
>stand out in the crowd, and so may earn one a better fellowship package.
>I think that the best idea for most US students is to find a good M.A.
>program, go to London or Florence or Paris with enough money to live
>decently, and then return home while they still retain the glow.  There's
>not much more depressing in the world of travel than encountering a
>burned-out ex-pat who's tired of living like a graduate student on the
>edge of grown-up life in a glamorous European city, but who has been away
>from the U.S. for too long to get a good job.
>
>         Adrienne DeAngelis
>         [log in to unmask]
>
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