Well, Indigo, since you as the list's master and host have spoken I HOPE we
all will *listen* and move this particular political discussion over, and
thatnks for the information to all of us.
Cheerfully onward to the appropriate forum... Laura West
-----Original Message-----
From: Indigo Nights [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:52 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: We can't fight the Iraqi War on Museum-L
OK, it's time to step in again and try to put some
reason to this discussion. First, some
acknowledgments:
1. I am a liberal.
2. I am closer to PeaceNick's position than might
make him comfortable--and, with the exception of Gulf
War I and Afghanistan, always have been in my
lifetime.
3. I support our military (goodness knows that two of
the greatest loves of my life have been from the
military--Army and Marines--and my current beau served
in Nam).
4. I agree with LDewey's positions in terms of
politics.
With that said, THIS IS NOT THE FORUM to fight the
war. You don't fight the war by alienating 2,900
people or some fragment thereof. Every list has a
flavor, a manner in which they operate, expectations
from their peers. This group's expectation is
that--for the most part--civility will prevail.
'Taint happening now.
I run another list--a small one now, though it was
larger nearly four years ago when it was first formed
(and the title will make it evident)--that is for
political discussions like this. The way I talk
there, the subjects I take on, the way that group
interacts is light years apart from this one. Its
purpose is to discuss politics and disability issues,
and there are some brilliant minds there (some of whom
have some idiotic politics from where I sit, but
that's another matter). Any of you who wish to volley
these topics is welcome to join us over there, but I
warn you, the tenor is not for everyone. If you want
to discuss this, come over there, but we don't display
the same haughty nature that oft transpires on this
list (goodness me, someone who thinks they have much
better breeding than someone else decides to show bad
breeding and point out the faults of others and that's
good breeding? My bad breeding says that's
incongruous.)
That group is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indecision2000 and, as
you might guess, it's a fallout from the election
flack of 2000 (Bush v. Gore). People come, people go,
sometimes it's quiet, sometimes it's rowdy, sometimes
it's flirtatious. But it's frequently thought
provoking. Everybody thinks they're right. They
can't be if I am. In order to fix the problem, you
have to understand how they think AND you have to be
willing to do something about it. Come over if you
like, stay the hell away if it will offend you.
As for the young folks, there are multi-thousand folks
from multinations with multipersonalities (smile).
They have quirks, foibles, and absolutely delightful
personality traits. But you run the gamut. I know.
I've had my own cyber bomber from an Arabic country as
a result of this list.
I've now got some jerk who has stalked me to three
email addresses--each time being
banned/blocked--because he doesn't like what I have to
say here. It's somebody who was on list with another
email address, who is using a different one, and wants
to evoke anger in me to take my private words and post
them to the list so as "to expose me" to the group. I
confess. When he insulted me privately, I told him to
kiss my ass. So, like Janet's breast, I am exposed.
Now he can just please go away--at least from my
private email addresses.
There are wonderful people on this list with
phenomenal knowledge. But mental health and illness
come in all walks of life, and boors abound. It's the
risk that goes with making one's comments public.
And, by the way, as I unfurl here, for all you
opportunists who signed onto this list to harvest
email addresses and send those Nigerian 419 (or
whatever the number is) scams, I don't care whose
wife, brother, or son you are of what important person
in Africa, Korea, or wherever, I'm not going to help
you get that money you absconded with out of your
country, so quit sending those notes, and no I did not
win this mysterious lottery from the Netherlands,
either.
In other words, quacks abound. Hopefully, I'm not
one, and neither are you.
Finally, the issue of exchanging documents has come up
again a couple of times recently but, because of Mr.
Cyber Stalker, Mr. Kabwe Tuskers, I've been reticent
to post. If you want to exchange documents, you are
always welcome to do so on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseDocs -- unless your
email address is [log in to unmask] (and then
you're banned, something I rarely do).
As for me, I've had it. I work 8 hours a day, have a
2 hour commute, and donate about 4 hours every day to
the museum world. I don't need the stalkers or
harrassers, and I don't think anybody needs list
rancor in a forum where it's not intended. Course,
it's not all about me. But others have expressed the
need, so let's take the politics off list wherever
possible and put it in a forum where people are more
apt to do something besides bitch.
Sorry. My bad breeding (sarcasm intended) just makes
me want to holler.
--- ldewey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Rachel, there are nearly 2900 subscribers to this
> list. You ought to
> expect that among that number there are a broad
> range of experiences
> and resultant viewpoints.
>
> However uncomfortable the discussion (re: Iraq
> Donations) might be for
> you, it does speak to a rather urgent matter of
> public policy. Any
> museum - and I would think a history museum
> especially - ought to
> concern itself with how it provides for the cultural
> record.
>
> So, no thanks, I will not "go someplace else,
> please, please, please."
> However, in the spirit of your suggestion, perhaps
> you should try
> sticking a finger in either ear and reciting this
> mantra "I can't hear
> you, I can't hear you". I understand that works for
> some.
>
> -LD
>
>
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