I have been trying for three years now to get employment and a work permit
in the UK. The interviews go well until the subject of work permits arise.
Employers in the UK are required by British law to file for the work
permits, and there are never any guarantees that they will be issued, and
are often turned down. There is also a £95 filing fee with no refund -- no
matter what the outcome.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julia Watts" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Museum studies degree
> After following the thread on the the lack of employment opportunities for
> MA grads, I am now disheartened about my potential application to an MA
Art
> History/Museum Studies programme in the UK. Do the readers have any input
on
> if the UK job market is as bleak as the US one. I am English but currently
> living in the US and this was going to be a new vocation for me.
> Sincerely,
> Julia
>
>
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> >Topics of the day:
> >
> > 1. biased question about museum guards (2)
> > 2. entry level positions -- when moving's not an option (2)
> > 3. trying to get back into museum work after graduating with PhD (2)
> > 4. tips given to security guards and other staff (5)
> > 5. Call for papers/presentations
> > 6. Survey of Teachers' use of the Web (3)
> > 7. Comment on Museum Employment--an Unscientific Study
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:47:25 +0200
> >From: CulPropProtNet/MusSecNetwork <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: biased question about museum guards
> >
> >On 14 May 2004 at 8:20, Sue Bodemer wrote:
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > What do ya'll tell your staff (especially security guards) about tips?
> >Have
> > > they been offered to them by visitors? Are they allowed to accept
them?
> > > What if the visitor INSISTS?
> >
> >Dear Sue Bodemer,
> >
> >Interesting question, even though I really do not like the
> >'especially security guards' specification. How about curators and
> >museum directors with their dinner parties, business trips all over
> >the world, free catalogues and books, gifts by artists, and their
> >pleasant annual income ... ?
> >
> >Start paying your guards a proper salary, put up a sign 'no tips' at
> >the entrance, and especially at the cloak room of your museum, and
> >this question will become obsolete.
> >
> >Why not develop a 'no tips' policy in your museum without sending
> >this prejudiced suggestion about your guards on Museum-L for the
> >global museum community to read?
> >
> >
> >Ton Cremers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:56:14 -0700
> >From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: entry level positions -- when moving's not an option
> >
> >--- "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > And I will never forget how to spell grammar again. (I used to mess up
> > > "calendar" also until a resume edit a couple of years ago) :)
> >
> >Don't feel bad. I had my elementary school students correct my spelling
> >when I
> >student taught. :)
> >
> >Deb
> >
> >
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 04:00:38 -0700
> >From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: biased question about museum guards
> >
> >--- CulPropProtNet/MusSecNetwork <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Start paying your guards a proper salary, put up a sign 'no tips' at
> > > the entrance, and especially at the cloak room of your museum, and
> > > this question will become obsolete.
> > >
> > > Why not develop a 'no tips' policy in your museum without sending
> > > this prejudiced suggestion about your guards on Museum-L for the
> > > global museum community to read?
> >
> >I don't think it's the guards' fault for accepting tips. Some people,
> >espeically in the older generation, think it's rude not to tip. It's part
> >of
> >how they were brought up just like always wearing a hat and gloves when
you
> >go
> >out or holding the door for ladies.
> >
> >Instead, I would put a sign up saying "all tips will be donated to the
> >museum
> >or building fund, or education program, or whatnot." That way if people
> >insist
> >on tipping, your staff can accept it graciously and know what to do with
> >the
> >money. You might start getting more donations that way too.
> >
> >Deb
> >
> >
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:41:14 -0400
> >From: Loretta Lorance <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: trying to get back into museum work after graduating with
PhD
> >
> >I've been following the entry level discussion and decided to ask for
> >advice about my situation. I'm an architectural historian with a new PhD
in
> >art history. While taking classes I worked in a museum in different
> >departments and for a private collector. However, I was, like many
graduate
> >students, nudged toward teaching. I have volunteered a bit at museums,
but
> >not regularly, more as time and other commitments have permitted.
> >
> >As I was completing my degree there were a couple of jobs that interested
> >me, director of historic house, education director, registrar (although
I'm
> >a bit rusty on this, not up to date on computer programs but am a quick
> >learner) and usually I didn't even get an acknowledgement of my
> >application. I felt that the people on the receiving end might have been
> >bothered, perhaps intimidated, by the level of my education. It doesn't
> >bother nor impress me to have a PhD, it's something I wanted and
> >accomplished and am now ready to move to the next stage of my live.
> >Furthermore, I'm not a snooty person (I don't expect to be called Dr.). I
> >don't want an entry level position and don't mind volunteering if I have
a
> >source of income.
> >
> >I've applied for a couple of teaching positions and would also considered
> >applying for museum work in education, curator, director, administrator,
> >registrar, etc. Given the job market both in higher education and
museums,
> >can anyone offer advice about how to apply or get an interview with the
PhD
> >red flag. I guess I don't have to put it on my business resume, unlike
the
> >resume I use to apply for teaching jobs. Thanks for any advice.
> >
> >Loretta Lorance, PhD
> >[log in to unmask]
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> >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:19:18 -0600
> >From: Timothy McShane <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >I've never been at a place with a formal policy, but whenever I've been
> >offered a tip, I've taken it with the grace with which it was offered,
> >then deposited it into the museum's donation box.
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------
> >Tim McShane, Assistant--Cultural History
> >Medicine Hat Museum and Art Gallery
> >1302 Bomford Crescent S.W.
> >Medicine Hat, AB T1A 5E6
> >(403) 502-8587
> >[log in to unmask]
> >
> > >>> [log in to unmask] 5/14/2004 6:20:05 AM >>>
> >Hi!
> >
> >What do ya'll tell your staff (especially security guards) about tips?
> >Have
> >they been offered to them by visitors? Are they allowed to accept
> >them?
> >What if the visitor INSISTS?
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
> >
> >Sue Bodemer
> >Operations Manager
> >Rockwell Museum of Western Art
> >111 Cedar St.
> >Corning, NY 14830
> >607-937-5386 (museum main number)
> >607-974-4162 (direct line)
> >607-974-4536 (fax)
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> >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:13:00 -0400
> >From: beverlye hancock <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Call for papers/presentations
> >
> >The Society for Applied Anthropology's 2005 annual meeting is in Santa
> >Fe, April 6-10. We are hoping to create several session based on
> >cooperative projects between applied anthropologists and museums. If
> >you have or are participating in such a projectl please submit an
> >individual presentatiion abstract for a session OR organize a session of
> >presentations, do a poster presentation or put together a roundtable
> >discussion. Projects can be social, medical/health, environmental,
> >economic, etc. We are looking for innovative ways museums and
> >anthropologists can work together.
> >
> >Deadline for submissions is October 1, 2004. Please send submissions or
> >request more information from me [log in to unmask] or Jeanne Simonelli,
> >anthropology chair [log in to unmask] Remember too, Santa Fe is a great
> >place to be n the spring! Please participate.
> >
> >Beverlye Hancock, Curator
> >Museum of Anthropology/Wake Forest University
> >P.O. Box 7267
> >Winston-Salem, NC 27109
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> >Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:18:37 -0400
> >From: Jennifer Lonergan <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >Hi Eric,
> >
> >I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the survey--we're
> >currently looking at ways of making the website more relevant to the
> >curriculum, more educational, etc.=20
> >Thanks!=20
> >Jennifer Lonergan
> >Planificatrice en interpr=E9tation - Interpretive Planner=20
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> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Eric Siegel [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:39 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >
> >The New York Hall of Science and Altered Image have completed a survey
> >of teachers' use of the WWW to support museum visits. The survey had
> >over 1200 respondants who answered 23 questions related to their use of
> >the WWW for teaching in general, and specifically as a part of an
> >informal education experience. A report analyzing the results of this
> >survey is now available.
> >
> >We were able to persuade the NYC Department of Education to distribute
> >the survey through their in-house email system, which resulted in well
> >over a 1000 responses from NYC public school educators.
> >
> >As far as I know, this is the largest such survey, and we will be glad
> >to email it to anyone who would like a copy.
> >
> >Special thanks are due to the National Science Foundation's Informal
> >Science Education program for their support, and to Altered Image
> >designing the survey and working hard to reach so many teachers.
> >
> >Eric Siegel
> >Director of Planning
> > & Program Development
> >Connections Project Director
> >New York Hall of Science
> >47-01 111th Street
> >Queens, NY 11368
> >[log in to unmask]
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:20:23 EDT
> >From: "David E. Haberstich" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: entry level positions -- when moving's not an option
> >
> >In a message dated 5/14/2004 11:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> ><< I feared I would do such a thing. I now hang my head in shame. E-mail
is
> > set to automatic spell check now...
> >
> > And I will never forget how to spell grammar again. (I used to mess up
> > "calendar" also until a resume edit a couple of years ago) :) >>
> >
> >Dear Elizabeth,
> >
> >Thank you. You are very gracious--and good-humored.
> >
> >BTW, spell-checkers don't solve everything. In today's Washington Post I
> >noted a remark that someone was "pouring" over some papers. No, I didn't
> >bother
> >to write a correction!
> >
> >David Haberstich
> >(Who just misspelled his own name and had to go back to correct it;
sooner
> >or
> >later I'm sure I'm going to miss it.)
> >
> >David Haberstich
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:48:28 EDT
> >From: "David E. Haberstich" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >Although I think a publicized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that
> >anyone receiving a tip should be encouraged to pass it along to the
museum,
> >I agree
> >with the one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard
or
> >other employee accepting a tip personally.
> >
> >I think if I wrote a policy on tipping, I would say: (a) actively
> >soliciting
> >tips is forbidden and could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a
> >"surprise"
> >tip, tell the tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a
general
> >fund; (c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally
> >(remembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks
> >and report
> >it on your income tax!
> >
> >I would be interested in seeing any argument about why a museum employee
> >should not accept a tip if the tipper insists.
> >
> >Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gave me a $5 bill after I agreed
to
> >expedite his photo order. I've always felt vaguely guilty about this,
> >especially since I forgot to report it on my taxes (please don't report
me
> >to the IRS).
> > I am now considering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the
> >donations box at the museum entrance.
> >
> >On perhaps three occasions, I've received small gifts from professional
> >colleagues. One was from a Japanese man who had a whole bag of similar
> >gifts
> >(wrapped) to distribute to museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it
> >would be
> >culturally injudicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such
> >gifts.
> >
> >David Haberstich
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:25:42 -0700
> >From: "R. Morrison" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >please, please get me off of this list--I have followed directions--and
> >still can't get off. How hard should this be?
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jennifer Lonergan" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >
> >Hi Eric,
> >
> >I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the survey--we're
> >currently looking at ways of making the website more relevant to the
> >curriculum, more educational, etc.
> >Thanks!
> >Jennifer Lonergan
> >Planificatrice en interprétation - Interpretive Planner
> >Musée canadien des civilisations - Canadian Museum of Civilization
> >C.P. 3100, succ. B - P.O. Box 3100, Stn. B
> > Hull, Québec J8X 4H2
> >Canada
> >(819) 776-8406
> >[log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Eric Siegel [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:39 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >
> >The New York Hall of Science and Altered Image have completed a survey
> >of teachers' use of the WWW to support museum visits. The survey had
> >over 1200 respondants who answered 23 questions related to their use of
> >the WWW for teaching in general, and specifically as a part of an
> >informal education experience. A report analyzing the results of this
> >survey is now available.
> >
> >We were able to persuade the NYC Department of Education to distribute
> >the survey through their in-house email system, which resulted in well
> >over a 1000 responses from NYC public school educators.
> >
> >As far as I know, this is the largest such survey, and we will be glad
> >to email it to anyone who would like a copy.
> >
> >Special thanks are due to the National Science Foundation's Informal
> >Science Education program for their support, and to Altered Image
> >designing the survey and working hard to reach so many teachers.
> >
> >Eric Siegel
> >Director of Planning
> > & Program Development
> >Connections Project Director
> >New York Hall of Science
> >47-01 111th Street
> >Queens, NY 11368
> >[log in to unmask]
> >www.nyscience.org
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:53:33 -0500
> >From: Ware Petznick <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
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> >
> >Although I am not currently working for a museum - though I hope that
thi=
> >s will change soon - I am working as a temp for Muscular Dystrophy as
the=
> >ir Auction Coordinator. In soliciting gifts for the MDA's Black and Blue
=
> >Ball coming up June 5th, I targeted Grey Goose vodka because I saw their
=
> >ad in Boston Magazine. Being positive about their product was not merely
=
> >a matter of salesmanship, because I do personally love Grey Goose vodka
a=
> >nd agree that it is the best tasting. The Sales and Marketing Director
wh=
> >o responded to my request for a donation was impressed by my enthusiasm
a=
> >nd agreed to donate a magnum bottle to the auction... and said that she
w=
> >anted to send a t-shirt to me personally. I thanked her but felt a
little=
> > uncomfortable in personally benefiting from my position. I asked my
supe=
> >rvisor if I could accept the Grey Goose gift and she replied that they
ha=
> >d plenty of t-shirts and encouraged me to take it away out of the office!
> >
> >So, in this case, I think that I have not crossed any boundaries. I
would=
> > welcome any arguments to the contrary!
> >
> >Still hopeful to find a permanent museum role!
> >Ware
> >
> >www.geocities.com/staforlife/museumresume.html
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: David E. Haberstich
> >Sent: 15 May 2004 14:02
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >Although I think a publicized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that
> >anyone receiving a tip should be encouraged to pass it along to the
museu=
> >m, I agree
> >with the one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard
o=
> >r
> >other employee accepting a tip personally.
> >
> >I think if I wrote a policy on tipping, I would say: (a) actively
solicit=
> >ing
> >tips is forbidden and could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a
"surpri=
> >se"
> >tip, tell the tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a
gener=
> >al
> >fund; (c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip personally
> >(remembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks
=
> >and report
> >it on your income tax!
> >
> >I would be interested in seeing any argument about why a museum employee
> >should not accept a tip if the tipper insists.
> >
> >Full disclosure: Many years ago a man gave me a $5 bill after I agreed
t=
> >o
> >expedite his photo order. I've always felt vaguely guilty about this,
> >especially since I forgot to report it on my taxes (please don't report
m=
> >e to the IRS).
> >I am now considering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the
> >donations box at the museum entrance.
> >
> >On perhaps three occasions, I've received small gifts from professional
> >colleagues. One was from a Japanese man who had a whole bag of similar
g=
> >ifts
> >(wrapped) to distribute to museum staff who helped him out, and I felt
it=
> > would be
> >culturally injudicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such
gif=
> >ts.
> >
> >David Haberstich
> >
>
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> ><HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV> </DIV>
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> >DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Although I am not currently working for a museum -
=
> >though I hope that this will change soon - I am working as a temp for
Mus=
> >cular Dystrophy as their Auction Coordinator. In soliciting gifts for
the=
> > MDA's Black and Blue Ball coming up June 5th, I targeted Grey Goose
vodk=
> >a because I saw their ad in Boston Magazine. Being positive about their
p=
> >roduct was not merely a matter of salesmanship, because I do personally
l=
> >ove Grey Goose vodka and agree that it is the best tasting. The Sales
and=
> > Marketing Director who responded to my request for a donation was
impres=
> >sed by my enthusiasm and agreed to donate a magnum bottle to the
auction.=
> >. and said that she wanted to send a t-shirt to me personally. I thanked=
> > her but felt a little uncomfortable in personally benefiting from my
pos=
> >ition. I asked my supervisor if I could accept the Grey Goose gift and
sh=
> >e replied that they had plenty of t-shirts and encouraged me to take it
a=
> >way out of the office!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, in this case, I
t=
> >hink that I have not crossed any boundaries. I would welcome any
argument=
> >s to the contrary!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still hopeful to find a
p=
> >ermanent museum role!</DIV> <DIV>Ware</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A
hre=
>
>f=3D"http://www.geocities.com/staforlife/museumresume.html">www.geocities=
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> >; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> David E. Haberstich</DIV>
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> ><DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> 15 May 2004 14:02</DIV>
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> > style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B>
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> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: tips given to
securi=
> >ty guards and other staff</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Although I think a
publi=
> >cized no-tipping policy is a good one, and that<BR>anyone receiving a
tip=
> > should be encouraged to pass it along to the museum, I agree<BR>with
the=
> > one dissenter who wonders what harm there is in a museum guard
or<BR>oth=
> >er employee accepting a tip personally.<BR><BR>I think if I wrote a
polic=
> >y on tipping, I would say: (a) actively soliciting<BR>tips is forbidden
a=
> >nd could result in dismissal; (b) if offered a "surprise"<BR>tip, tell
th=
> >e tipper that we are encouraged to pass tips along to a general<BR>fund;
=
> >(c) if the tipper insists that the tippee accept the tip
personally<BR>(r=
> >emembering that the "customer is always right"), accept it with thanks
an=
> >d report<BR>it on your income tax!<BR><BR>I would be interested in
seeing=
> > any argument about why a museum employee<BR>should not accept a tip if
t=
> >he tipper insists.<BR><BR>Full disclosure: Many years ago a man
gav=
> >e me a $5 bill after I agreed to<BR>expedite his photo order. I've
=
> >always felt vaguely guilty about this,<BR>especially since I forgot to
re=
> >port it on my taxes (please don't report me to the IRS).<BR>I am now
cons=
> >idering, after all these years, dropping $5.00 into the<BR>donations box
=
> >at the museum entrance.<BR><BR>On perhaps three occasions, I've received
=
> >small gifts from professional<BR>colleagues. One was from a
Japanes=
> >e man who had a whole bag of similar gifts<BR>(wrapped) to distribute to
=
> >museum staff who helped him out, and I felt it would be<BR>culturally
inj=
> >udicious to refuse. I'd welcome any discussion of such
gifts.<BR><B=
> >R>David
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 12:55:46 -0700
> >From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: Survey of Teachers' use of the Web
> >
> >Welcome to the Hotel California . . . you can check
> >out any time you want, but you can never leave
> >(smile).
> >
> >Here. This method has always proven more effective
> >for me when I have needed to leave while on vacation
> >(I'll never read all the catch-up mail, so it's just
> >easier for me this way).
> >
> >Go to the archives. Everybody should save this link,
> >I think. You can sign out (or back in) there.
> >
> >http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/museum-l.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- "R. Morrison" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > please, please get me off of this list--I have
> > > followed directions--and
> > > still can't get off. How hard should this be?
> > >
> >
> >=====
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:52:34 -0700
> >From: Adrienne DeAngelis <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: trying to get back into museum work after graduating with
PhD
> >
> > The motto of my "resources" site (from an older and obviously
> >embittered prof) works well here : "You might as well apply for
everything
> >because who gets what is totally arbitrary..."
> >At the very least hiring decisions are often not logical.
> >
> >
> > Adrienne DeAngelis, Editoress
> > RESOURCES IN ART HISTORY FOR GRADUATE STUDENTS
> > (http://members.efn.org/~acd/resources.html)
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:10:02 -0700
> >From: "Katherine H. Child" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >Talk about gifts! We recently had our Japanese Friendship Doll restored
by
> >the Japanese company that originally made most of the dolls (late 1920s).
> >When the doll was returned to us, she came along with two "sister" dolls
> >(made in honor of our doll's "visit" home) that were specifically for me
> >and
> >our Director of Education. Neither of us felt comfortable about accepting
> >the dolls, so they are currently in our collections storage along with
the
> >Friendship Doll accessories. We don't really know what to do with them.
> >These dolls are worth several hundred dollars apiece.
> >
> >Katherine Child Jonelis
> >Curator
> >Phoenix Museum of History
> >105 N. 5th Street
> >Phoenix, AZ 85004
> >Phone: 602-253-2734 ext. 228
> >Fax: 602-253-2348
> >[log in to unmask]
> >
> >For more information about the Phoenix Museum of History and its
programs,
> >please click here:
> > www.pmoh.org
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:29:06 -0700
> >From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Comment on Museum Employment--an Unscientific Study
> >
> >Those of you who have been here a while will recall
> >that I run four daily MuseNews listservs. I simply
> >provide information that I've culled from "out there,"
> >and it is not the newsletter than Roger provides. The
> >lists are small, but fairly steady.
> >
> >They are:
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-Art
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-General
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-History
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseNews-Science
> >
> >I think there's an interesting tie between the number
> >of participants, the number of articles available, and
> >the relationship to why so many have a hard time
> >finding jobs.
> >
> >First membership today, including bounces, is as
> >follows:
> >
> >Art 88
> >General 36
> >History 74
> >Science 25
> >
> >While membership has been higher and lower, it's
> >fairly consistent of late.
> >
> >Now, where are the news articles in order of priority?
> >
> >History
> >Science
> >General
> >Art
> >
> >I think that, if these lists represent the bias in the
> >job market, more of you are trying to find jobs in art
> >than in history, and far, far, too few of you are
> >looking for jobs in the sciences. I do get lots of
> >news for general (zoos, botanical gardens, arboretums,
> >libraries, children's museums, state parks, aquaria,
> >etc.), and yet I don't see many candidates here who
> >are looking for those opportunities.
> >
> >I am absolutely stunned that so few put an emphasis on
> >the sciences. It never ceases to amaze me just how
> >few are interested there when there is so much that is
> >consistently being discovered. Just the news having
> >to do with planetaria and observatories alone--in my
> >biased mind--is enough to make one curious.
> >
> >Much of what I publish comes to me daily through the
> >http://news.google.com alerts I've established
> >(including galleries, archaeology, and anthropology in
> >addition to the topics abve). That has turned out to
> >be a tremendous--free--resource with worldwide info at
> >one's fingertips.
> >
> >As I write this, when we have discussed the concept of
> >transferrable job skills, have all you art majors out
> >there given thought to possibly altering your emphasis
> >or trying in another museum market other than the one
> >in which you had originally hoped to gain employment?
> >It would seem to me that many of the core skills would
> >be transferrable, and you might be able to curate an
> >exhibit in such a way that the beauty of science could
> >be clearly demonstrated.
> >
> >Some of these thoughts could clearly be my own bias.
> >I've always loved science. Required to take one to
> >graduate, I took two, and I wanted to take a dozen
> >except that--when you go to school at night--these
> >classes frequently just aren't available.
> >
> >With the internet, however, the world is your
> >classroom, and there is great info at your fingertips
> >such that a candidate who had dedicated him/herself to
> >art could readily do some catch-up. After all, you've
> >already acquired the most transferrable job skill of
> >all--the art of learning.
> >
> >Just a thought.
> >
> >P.S. To the person who got their PhD and said they
> >were applying for jobs as directors--the one
> >overwhelming thought that popped in my head is that,
> >unless I am interpreting what you have offered
> >incorrectly, no matter how educated you are, you do
> >not start at the top, and applying for director is
> >probably not going to be as readily fruitful. You
> >have to crawl before you can walk, and you may have to
> >apply for "a lesser" position until you can get some
> >experience under your belt. That may mean working for
> >less money.
> >
> >There are risks there. If you start in one
> >institution and accept less, they may think it's ok to
> >pay you less in the next position there. You may have
> >to jump institutions once you get the required
> >experience in order to get the pay.
> >
> >P.S.S. Hey, David H. Spell checkers aren't going to
> >catch the bane of my existence--homonyms. I have done
> >a couple of "their" when I meant "there" and do a
> >major arggggghhhh behind the scenes.
> >
> >
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> >Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:59:41 -0400
> >From: Nicholas Burlakoff <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >The reason that tips and gifts should not be given to, or accepted by,
> >employees as individuals fall into the following categories:
> >1) Customary practices. Museums are not restaurants or taxicabs and
> >employees do not provide an individual service in expectation of a tip.
> >2) There can be serious ethical questions raised by accepting gifts that
> >are
> >related to the museum's collection. Thomas Hoving relates one experience
> >where a bribe was solicited by a foreign museum head in the form of a
> >"gift."
> >3) Personnel morale. Folks who are not in a position to benefit will in
> >very
> >short order criticize folks, who are in a position to receive tips. For
> >example, a curator, guard, or docent may be offered a tip but seldom will
> >the janitor or exhibit builder be so rewarded. My experience is that
folks
> >love to count benefits others receive, that they don't, and then resent
the
> >recipients. We had an example of this posted on this list. A question was
> >raised about gifts to curators and directors. The people who do not
receive
> >a benefit also have the tendency to exaggerate the value of the benefit
> >that
> >they don't receive. In museums I have headed, just as there were strict
> >prohibitions for receiving tips, so all gifts given to employees as part
of
> >their job function, or position at the museum, became the property of the
> >museum. The only exemption to this were trivial gifts such as decals,
> >postcards, brochures, or tee shirts. Books, catalogs, reproductions etc.
> >always belonged to the museum. Additionally, by not allowing personnel to
> >accept individual gifts we helped them from feeling obligated to give
gifts
> >in return, and the museum does not have to develop a gift fund for
> >reciprocating these courtesies.
> >4) Simplicity. A policy that is pretty much an absolute prohibition is
easy
> >to understand and difficult to evade. If a policy is instituted that
calls
> >for interpretation, it is a guarantor that some unforeseen gross
violation
> >will occur at some point. Then an argument will ensue with all sorts of
> >intellectual trickery and rationalizations and bad feelings, in the end,
on
> >both sides. When people know: no tips and no gifts, life is simplified
in
> >this area immeasurably. Enforcement of discipline is also simplified, in
> >most instances.
> >The reason that I was particularly careful and adamant in this area when
I
> >headed a maritime museum is that the Coast Guard interprets the receipt
of
> >even one cigarette as "payment." So if anyone accepted a gift in our
museum
> >and then were given a ride on our ship they would, according to the
> >Coasties, become "fare paying passengers" undermining our Coast Guard
> >classification and inviting legal sanctions at worst, and insurance
> >problems
> >at the least. I can't adequately describe the joy of spending one
> >blistering-hot August afternoon in a cabin of a 17th century vessel
arguing
> >with a Coast Guard Commodore about a party of dignitaries that we were
> >scheduled to take an orientation cruise on our vessel. Trust me, a policy
> >of
> >no gifts or tips makes life much simpler for everyone.
> >Cheers, -Nicholas
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Museum discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf
> >Of Katherine H. Child
> >Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:10 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: tips given to security guards and other staff
> >
> >Talk about gifts! We recently had our Japanese Friendship Doll restored
by
> >the Japanese company that originally made most of the dolls (late 1920s).
> >When the doll was returned to us, she came along with two "sister" dolls
> >(made in honor of our doll's "visit" home) that were specifically for me
> >and
> >our Director of Education. Neither of us felt comfortable about accepting
> >the dolls, so they are currently in our collections storage along with
the
> >Friendship Doll accessories. We don't really know what to do with them.
> >These dolls are worth several hundred dollars apiece.
> >
> >Katherine Child Jonelis
> >Curator
> >Phoenix Museum of History
> >105 N. 5th Street
> >Phoenix, AZ 85004
> >Phone: 602-253-2734 ext. 228
> >Fax: 602-253-2348
> >[log in to unmask]
> >
> >For more information about the Phoenix Museum of History and its
programs,
> >please click here:
> > www.pmoh.org
> >
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