The problem in part is that ID has never put forth enough science to 
allow scientific questioning.  Boiled down to its essence, ID says its 
proponents don't understand how evolution could have produced some 
complex biological structures and thus that an intelligent designer must 
have been involved.  As presented, it's not a testible hypothesis and 
thus not a scientific hypothesis.  The controversy is not scientific, 
it's political.

There are worlds of difference between creationism and evolution beside 
the time allotments (and I'm assuming you're talking of "young earth 
creationism"--there is a tremendous variety of creationists ranging from 
flat earthers that reject almost everything scientific to mainstream 
religions (e.g., the Catholic Church) that accept evolution as the means 
that the Creator chose to create the variety of living things and 
require only that the Creator added a soul to the human animal somewhere 
along the line).  The order of creation in Genesis does not coincide 
with scientific findings.  The more extreme creationists deny many of 
the most important findings of biology, physics, astronomy, and geology.

Cheers,

Art Harris

Annmarie Zan wrote:

> While I am a historian and not a scientist and that may make a 
> difference, I am really confused about what the problem is here. If 
> the issue is that ID has never stood up to scientific questioning 
> isn't that what the article is trying to solicit? Or is it that you 
> can't have a religious faith of any kind and still be considered a 
> scientist?  Didn't Einstein himself speak of the roles God must have 
> had?  I am both a historian and a Christian and am not ashamed of 
> either one and don't see them as conflictual.  Where are the major 
> differences in creationism and evolution except for the time 
> allotments? A story written 2000 years ago got the order of creation 
> right according to evolutionists, this must say something.  The recent 
> Archaeological digs show there was a city of David right where it 
> should have been. 
> Its not just the Christian Religion either, if you've read the Utah 
> Gold Rush you'll see that modern day science, history, and archaeology 
> are close to proving the Aztec legends of the seven gold mines from 
> their spiritual heritage.  It seems to me it would make a lot of sense 
> to use the history of people's faiths as a stepping stone to explore 
> scientific and historic possibilities rather than to waste all the 
> research theologians and philosophers have already collected.
>  
> Annmarie Zan
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