Another wonderful trend is that more and more universities are going to
adjunct professors rather then full tenured etc....( ny times august
4,2002)by the way im really sorry if i offended anyone i was merely making a
point somewhat sarcastic at that. Please stop the hate mail!!!!!!!!!
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From: "Indigo Nights" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Career counselors


> I'm a lot disappointed on that one.  We had some VERY
> talented, very eager young people and less
> experienced, more-candled people in the mentoring
> program here.  Some did make matches, and we did have
> some successes.  That part was very heartwarming.
>
> But there were several who were not contacted.  That's
> a travesty.
>
> Some part of what I learned about this list is that,
> like many things in life, people look at it as a WIIFM
> (What's In It For Me?).  They're happy to take, but
> not as many as should be are eager to give.  It's
> really a shame because there are some very talented
> and brilliant people here with a wealth of knowledge.
> I am of the express mindset that knowledge is to be
> shared.  That, in some measure, is why I personally
> love museums so much--there's much you can learn if
> you open your eyes and your mind.
>
> I've read a couple of notes on the PhD and other
> degrees that ran with this thread.  Experience is
> important, but it's still an elitist enough society
> that a PhD is going to be valued in this profession
> over an MA and a volume of experience.
>
> Here's the fine line on that, though.  It's been my
> perception from my tenure here that, though they are
> more likely to take the PhD, they are less apt to pay
> for the PhD (commensurate pay) when salary time comes.
>  Some of that ties to the fact that there is often not
> enough money.  Some of it ties to the job market in
> the museum field in general.  Because people WILL work
> for less, museums will pay less.
>
> I don't know if that sorry condition can be changed
> because the public, at large, does not seem to value
> its cultural institutions as much as we might hope
> (ergo more contributions to fund programs and
> salaries), and that becomes even tougher still in a
> very tight economy (we're in a recession, hoping not
> to be in a depression).  With the tanking of the stock
> market in recent months, funding has dropped off
> dramatically, and programs--and, accordingly,
> salaries--are affected.
>
> This morning on MuseJobs
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseJobs I posted an
> article about the tougher time PhDs, in general, are
> having in today's employment market.  Subscribers who
> missed the article can find it in our Messages
> archive:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseJobs/messages
>
> In the same archives, you will find the link to the
> 2002 Nonprofit Salary Survey I posted.
>
> Further, in MuseFunding
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseFunding you can find
> an article about Senator Grasseley's preliminary
> investigations concerning United Way.  My development
> experience has shown that, when there is a backlash
> against a major entity such as United Way, charitable
> giving goes down markedly, which ultimately could
> affect jobs.
>
> Subscribers to MuseFunding can find that article in
> the archives here:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseFunding/messages
>
> Subscriptions on Yahoogroups, as you know, are free.
>
>
> Deb Fuller Wrote:
> > I'm a little disappointed that Indy's mentoring
> > program fizzled. That to me is
> > one of the best ways of finding out about the museum
> > world. And I think we also
> > need people from related industries who can help new
> > museum grads get
> > experience they need to compete for the museum jobs.
>
>
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