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Rose Laura, and any other persons whose toes have been bruised,



I should probably stand up for my program as well. My Masters from Texas

Tech did an exceptional job of providing theoretical and practical

experience in a variety of areas before I ever left the building for my

required internship. I suspect that is why I am rather picky. I know many

professionals from Baylor, GW, UT, CUNY, and others who had great

experiences and were fully prepared for the field.



Unfortunately many of the programs out there do not require such

internships, much less paid ones. Where they do, the discussion should be

moot. So many programs have proliferated in the past decade, that I can not

say with any confidence I have even heard of them all, much less know their

requirements. The concern is clearly that somehow significant practical

experience is being bypassed, resulting in underprepared candidates. There

is also a strong element of the discussion that indicates more of that

experience should come from the classroom, rather than the internship. That

calls into question the nature, type, duration, and content of internships,

which are just as relative as the programs themselves. But that should be a

discussion for another thread.



Keeping in mind(again) that we are not bashing museum studies programs,

castigating them for anything in particular, nor picking out any programs

in particular...I think the only question on the table is how to make

employers better aware of these variations in program strength and how to

help employers provide opportunities for new professionals that do not put

their collections at risk while training new employees. This is merely a

hypothetical discussion, which may be prone to tweaking the sensitive

points of people proud of their programs. I tend to think the profession as

a whole will find numerous ways to deal with the issue, if it actually

becomes one of concern.



It just seems a topic worthy of further consideration.



Mark Janzen

Registrar/Collections Manager

Edwin A. Ulrich Museum of Art

Martin H. Bush Outdoor Sculpture Collection

Wichita State University

(316)978-5850





                                                                           

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Thanks for your message Rose.  I graduated from the GWU museum studies

program in 1996.  That program REQUIRES at least 6 credit hours (equivalent

to two courses) in internships.  In addition to my two required graduate

internships, I completed a museum internship as an undergraduate.  It seems

like many of the people commenting on the lack of vocational skills being

taught in museum studies programs forget that internships are an essential

and required part of these programs.



Laura (McMann) Mahoney

MA-Museum Studies



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Behalf Of Rosie DiVernieri

Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:16 PM

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Speaking as a person who is just out of one of those programs 2 years, I

feel that I should stand up and say something about the quality out there.

There are many good quality programs out there like Baylor, Texas Tech,

George Washington to name a few.  I graduated from the undergraduate

program at Baylor, which is a great program.  It is exactly what you are

all agreeing on, vocational and theoretical.  For example, in exhibition

design, we actually planned and constructed an exhibit (with some

professional help of course), in education class we taught programs at the

children’s museum, and collections management required us to work in the

collection for like 15 hours...all the while learning theory.  And above

all...internships were required.  All of these things have helped me

immensely in the professional world.





This is just my opinion so take it as you will, but we as a profession need

to make a push for some type of qualitative standard out there.  I mean,

archivists have a test, why doesn't the museum field?  You don't have to

take the test to work in the field, but if you do then you know you have

met a certain level/qualification.  This would help show future employers

and the rest of the non-museum world, that we really do know what we are

doing.  But like I said, that is just my opinion.





Rosie DiVernieri





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