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Exactly as expected...

1. I got the standard acceptance of the semantic nature of the question
followed by a twisting of semantics to fit the topic. (2 points)

2. I got the restated assertion that I have faith in science based on the
previously awarded semantic twisting(2 points)

3. I got a brief diatribe expressing complete and utter misunderstanding of
scientific method(2 points)

4. You do however lose one point for failing to expound on the reason for
noting that science is done by humans, but get one point for mentioning it
at all.(1 point)

5. And most importantly I got the "only a theory" statement. (2 points)

9 points out of the expected 10 is rather exeptional. Kudos.

You really do miss the point of the fact that it is a semantic argument
don't you. No one has faith in hypotheses. You do not believe scientific
evidence, you either accept or reject it. Having faith in something simply
because someone told you it exists is illogical. With all these flaws you
must be only human.

I am really not BELIEVING you are a supporter of evolutionary theory. Can
you explain it to me?

Mark Janzen
Registrar/Collections Manager
Edwin A. Ulrich Museum of Art
Martin H. Bush Outdoor Sculpture Collection
Wichita State University
(316)978-5850


                                                                           
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"Not having seen or experienced something is irrelevant to its existence."

But completely relevant to whether you KNOW it exists or simply have faith
(believe) that it exists because someone told you so.

But you're right, it is about semantics.  Everything is about semantics.
Let's consider a garden variety definition of faith...

1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis
would
be substantiated by fact.

So you DO have faith in science (confidence, trust), just not faith in the
way you're defining it.  So I suspect your religious friends clearly
understand your belief in science as "faith" even if you don't.

"I do not BELIEVE these things exist. The scientific evidence supports
their
existence."

And you BELIEVE the scientific evidence despite it being postulated, tested
and interpreted by humans with their own agendas.

For the record, I personally believe in evolution. And yes I said
"believe".
Let's not forget that it's still only a theory.

Kristine Zickuhr
Registrar
Wisconsin Veterans Museum

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