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>There are 17 messages totalling 1272 lines in this issue.
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>Topics of the day:
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> 1. Some Images to 'Soothe The Soul'!
> 2. Glut of graduates, Gen X-ers (3)
> 3. Glut Generations: Gen X-ers (2)
> 4. Lesson from: Well, I've seen everything else on this list, so why not
> this?
> 5. I started this thread,
> 6. Lesson from: Well, I've seen everything else on this list, so ...
> 7. Many New Creation Museums (2)
> 8. Did Somebody Say JOBS?
> 9. Attention Canadian Museum Professionals Fwd: [canmuse-l]
>Priority---new
> funding for museums!
> 10. Glut of graduates, Gen X-ers, and Unions!
> 11. E-mail-A-Friend: Historic coin taken from Jefferson College
> 12. Stolen Item From Museum
> 13. Awards of Recognition (was Glut of Graduates)
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>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:11:44 +1200
>From: Roger Smith <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Some Images to 'Soothe The Soul'!
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>To List Members,
>
>I have noted that topics have become somewhat fraught this past week on the
>list, so to cheer us all up a bit I thought I might share with you some
>photographs - based on a recent trip through the Pacific
>
>See http://www4.wave.co.nz/~jollyroger/ps/index.htm and click ENTER.
>
>It's what I do when I'm not working at the university or attending to
>Global
>Museum or Dinosaurnews!
>
>For those of you interested in what I actually did with a selection of the
>images after this experience, have a look at
>http://www4.wave.co.nz/~jollyroger/wl/pacific/pacific.htm
>
>
>with best wishes to all
>Roger
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>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:26:33 -0700
>From: Robyne Miles <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Glut of graduates, Gen X-ers
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>As it can be seen that there are many talented, dedicated Gen X-ers in our
>profession. Rather than defending my generation, I'd just like to say to
>Ms.
>Smedstad that her comment "In my experience of the last ten years, I have
>come to the conclusion that this is what I call "Gen X arrogance" is a
>generational thing" reflects very poorly on her, and subsequently her
>organization. Sweeping generalizations regarding entire generations are
>both
>inappropriate and short-sighted. I hope in the future she would think
>twice
>about posting such biased comments in a public forum of her peers.
>
>On 8/25/05 3:34 PM, "Marie Morgan" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Here, here! Not all of us Gen-Xers come in here with wet
> > feet. I knew in some of my classes that what they said
> > would simply not work. Sure, before grad school I'd just
> > been a 'lowly tourguide' at a historical home in a tiny
> > town, but I knew what a miniscule budget they operated on.
> > I knew you weren't going to get some museums to spring for
> > expensive museum grade supplies when a bottle of clear nail
> > polish is 97 cents. But, then, I've got a mother who is the
> > Director of a local non-profit and her salary is in the mid
> > 20s. Maybe I just knew what to expect in the cash-strapped,
> > non-profit field . . .
> >
> > Marie Morgan
> >
> >
> > --- Nancy Pope <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> And I would say, as with any generalization, there is
> >> danger there. Our
> >> museum hosts a number of interns each year, and without
> >> exception, they have
> >> been eager to work and excited about the field. All were
> >> grateful for tips
> >> and suggestions staff had for getting a job in the field,
> >> and none openly
> >> indicate an expectation of "I am owed" in the field.
> >>
> >> This from another gen Xer who spent many many years at
> >> the lowest of museum
> >> salaries and paid those dues.
> >>
> >> Nancy Pope
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult, whereas I
>am
> > merely in disguise. Margaret Atwood, Cat's Eye, 1988
> >
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>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:30:06 -0400
>From: Lois Brynes <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Glut Generations: Gen X-ers
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>I cannot recall WHICH gen. gener-Xers are. Can someone please help?
>(This is a real question.)
>
>It must be all those sweeping generations. Or did you mean sweeping
>generals?
>Oh, I get it, sleeping generations. I do recall those.
>
>Lois
>
>
>On Aug 27, 2005, at 5:26 AM, Robyne Miles wrote:
>
> > As it can be seen that there are many talented, dedicated Gen X-ers
> > in our
> > profession. Rather than defending my generation, I'd just like to
> > say to Ms.
> > Smedstad that her comment "In my experience of the last ten years,
> > I have
> > come to the conclusion that this is what I call "Gen X arrogance" is a
> > generational thing" reflects very poorly on her, and subsequently her
> > organization. Sweeping generalizations regarding entire generations
> > are both
> > inappropriate and short-sighted. I hope in the future she would
> > think twice
> > about posting such biased comments in a public forum of her peers.
> >
>
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>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:55:16 -0400
>From: Eugene Dillenburg <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Lesson from: Well, I've seen everything else on this list, so
>why not this?
>
> >> "Okay, how many of you voted for
> >> the current president?"
> >>
>
>On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:24:58 -0400, Lois Brynes <[log in to unmask]>
>wrote:
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> >Neither did I. No one I know did.
>
>
>And yet half the nation did. Perhaps we need to get out more. ;-)
>
>That being siad, I am still struggling to understand the relevance of this
>thread to museums.
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>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:00:27 -0400
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>On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:06:13 -0500, Christina Myatt <[log in to unmask]>
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>I can think of a few exceptions to that... ;-)
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>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:51:02 -0400
>From: Deb Fuller <[log in to unmask]>
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>This refers to those of us born in the 60s and 70s during Vietnam and
>the end of the Cold War. We're right after the Baby Boomers and right
>before "Generation Y" or "the Millenium Generation".
>
>Wikipedia has an interesting article on us:=20
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X
>
>deb - Gen Xer and I don't really know what that means other than we
>wore neon and jelly shoes in the 80s :)
>
>On 8/27/05, Lois Brynes <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:06:59 -0700
>From: Indigo Nights <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Glut of graduates, Gen X-ers
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>Ok, this is another example of attacking the person
>and not the idea. Could we please steer away from
>personal attacks on this list?
>
>Before one generation defends itself and/or an older
>generation attacks, please stop and take a moment and
>think about the history of America at least starting
>at the 20th Century. Every generation seems to think
>the next generation is going to hell in a handbasket.
>Conversely, every younger generation in America has
>thought the one above it was dumber than a door-knob.
>
>Before the Gen X-ers take things said here and get
>their panties in a wad, stop and think how much turd
>slinging gets hurled at the Boomer Generation. I've
>seen this go both ways. And, as a Boomer, we can stop
>and think about when we were young and how you
>"couldn't trust anyone over 30." We're well past that
>age wise. Are we untrustworthy?
>
>None of the generations is without blame. The parents
>of the Flappers thought they were just dastardly, and
>they grew up to be the grandparents of some of the
>Boomers and lots of Gen X-ers.
>
>Could we PUH-LEASE cut all the emotional bullshit
>(there, did that shock you enough to straighten up and
>fly right, list?) and get back to the BUSINESS at
>hand?
>
>There are weeks this list is just plain fun. Someone
>will come up with some remember when, and everybody
>plays along. But this week has been just plain
>shitty.
>
>Can we cut the crap and get back to koombyah. That
>interchange that started with Tim and wound up getting
>Jim labeled a racist was just ignorant. It's another
>case of someone feeling it was all personal (That I
>Factor) instead of business.
>
>Knock it off, and let's get back to the subject of
>museums, or excuse yourself from the table and go
>stand in the corner until you can behave.
>
>I've got people writing to me privately indicating
>they're going to leave the list if it doesn't stop,
>and they have great value to add. It could be a
>significant loss if it doesn't turn around.
>
>
>
>--- Robyne Miles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > As it can be seen that there are many talented,
> > dedicated Gen X-ers in our
> > profession. Rather than defending my generation, I'd
> > just like to say to Ms.
> > Smedstad that her comment "In my experience of the
> > last ten years, I have
> > come to the conclusion that this is what I call "Gen
> > X arrogance" is a
> > generational thing" reflects very poorly on her, and
> > subsequently her
> > organization. Sweeping generalizations regarding
> > entire generations are both
> > inappropriate and short-sighted. I hope in the
> > future she would think twice
> > about posting such biased comments in a public forum
> > of her peers.
>
>
>Indigo Nights
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>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:12:57 EDT
>From: Mike Csontos <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Lesson from: Well, I've seen everything else on this list, so
>...
>
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>>That being siad, I am still struggling to understand the relevance of this
>>thread to museums.
>>**************
> Museums document the culture and history of the past; but the past has to
>start somewhere.
>
>When, as now, the mistakes of the past are being repeated, the museum
>community needs to consider how they can have a greater influence.
>
>Mike Csontos
>
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Mike, the simple truth of the matter is this:
If the lessons of history teach us anything, it is that no one learns the
lessons
history teaches us.
I don't know who originally said that, but I find it immensely appropriate
in these
times. Most of us are Historians. We have an interest in not only
understanding
how things were long ago, but also in bringing that information and clear
understanding into the modern consciousness. I saw an interesting program
the
other day on the History Channel about the US Economy during the 1920s,
leading up to the Great Depression. I wonder how many others who saw that
program noticed that nearly the exact same attitudes (governmental and big
business) as well as a big percentage of economic conditions that were
extant
then, are also existing right now? Seems like no one learned those
lessons...
We have an obligation as Historians to present realities from the past.
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